[Mosef81]

Originally Posted by Montaver

The rear seats of the 911 are not really rear seats at all. From a practicality standpoint there is no comparison to a 3 series. If you need one car to do it all, your not buying a 911 if you have a family.

I see a lot of comments on here like 'oh that's it I'm moving to Porsche' like this isn't a path that has been well trodden before. If you replace an M3 with a 911 its because you can deal with the reduced practicality. The buyers for the M3 will be the guys moving up from Golf R's, WRX's, Focus ST's etc. that have a young family but still want something interesting to drive. 911's are weekend toys for the most part, M cars are driven everyday. Sure if you are 50 year old dentist and your kids are at college, you might daily a poverty spec 911 with beige leather. However that's not as big a market as you might think, Porsche are still a low volume manufacturer compared to BMW. BMW did try and compete with the 911 Turbo in this generation - the M8 - and look how that went. No one bought it, because no one is paying $140k for a highly compromised BMW with faux backseats.

I'm highly critical of the current direction of M, but go look at the Porsche lineup and find me a car that can compete directly with the M3. A poverty spec 911 can't compete for all the aforementioned practicality limitations. A Macan is an SUV, and drives like one. Panamera is an exec land yacht. I'm lucky enough to drive two cars (including a Porsche), but if I was locked in one it would 100% be an M.

The main problem is the concept of "poverty" spec on either 911 or G80. The base 911 with no options will still drive brilliantly and be comfortable for daily use for most people who spend 80% of their time alone in the car. I may wish to remind those of you that doubt, that the most sought after porsche classics such as the carrera CS are often "poverty" spec.

The G80 will depreciate a lot more, especially if optioned out. Even an optioned out 911 will depreciate badly. Leaving only the idiot who optioned out to the hilt, in "poverty".

The main factor for me jumping ship is the fact that the M4 is too big for UK B roads, the looks are divisive, and the price point is close enough to the 911, that I would rather save for a year and buy a 911.

[Bonziii82]

Originally Posted by Mosef81

The problem with this generation of BMW is that options are absolutely necessary to make the looks more palatable but at the same time drive the price up towards that of an equally desirable 911.

Facts.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by Bonziii82

Facts.

A high optioned M3/4 is about the same price as a no option 911. When you start adding things like wheels, tires and doors to the 911 the price goes up exponentially.

[Cosworthstag]

Good luck with getting a new 911 in the UK
I wanted a Turbo S as a DD. Had Porsche for many years and my salesman doesn't even return my calls has he can't even order one from the factory!

I have a 16 Targa 4s running 520bhp best handling car I have but it's not a Ferrari!

Part Ex in April for M4 fully loaded £100k car hope I don't regret it.

Did also have AMG GT 63s as daily but found it a bit big and couldn't use all the power in winter.

[Cosworthstag]

Current and New

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by Penguino

What you posted is a 5-year depreciation amount, not 3. I'm not trying to argue either. Wanted to simply point out it'd be a better financial investment to purchase an M3 and sell it 3 years down the line. M3s hold value very well. I have saved on average about $5-$10K by buying vs leasing.

An ED M3 back in 2011 I was paying $770 a month, bought it with $0, drove it for 3 years, sold for $45K, owed $39k on it.

Just something to think about to help you save some hard earned cash.

Just hope some dip shit on their phone doesn't read-end you. Then your value is toast. Then you would have wished you leased. I like doing a 2 year lease. Then if I like it, I keep it. If not give it back or buy the lease out and sell. Not the best financial move but what-evs.

[jkap27]

Do you guys live in other countries? Lol carrera 4 starts at 109k here and my g80 X drive was 83k well equipped.

[bri1042]

Originally Posted by jkap27

Do you guys live in other countries? Lol carrera 4 starts at 109k here and my g80 X drive was 83k well equipped.

Quick Autotrader search, price capped at 4k more than I paid for my G80 Manual, within 300 miles of my zip code:

1 used 2021 yellow based Cayman with very few options from what I can see. And a handful of Macans.


Hah.

['Cane]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Quick Autotrader search, price capped at 4k more than I paid for my G80 Manual, within 300 miles of my zip code:

1 used 2021 yellow based Cayman with very few options from what I can see. And a handful of Macans.


Hah.

But, most of the people here are comparing G8X to 911, and the lowest priced (new or used) Carrera is $123K.

[alz0rz]

I just sold my used 21 G80 Competition with 3.8K miles for almost $10k more than it was worth new.

[Vic55]

Awwww the magic of thread revivals....


For this price you can NOT get a Porsche

[2011ninja]

Originally Posted by Vic55

Awwww the magic of thread revivals....


For this price you can NOT get a Porsche

Oh you can get a Porsche for that price…

2008

50,000+ miles

Op being the 5th owner

Minor rip on driver seat

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by bri1042

Quick Autotrader search, price capped at 4k more than I paid for my G80 Manual, within 300 miles of my zip code:

1 used 2021 yellow based Cayman with very few options from what I can see. And a handful of Macans.


Hah.

I looked at used caymans s’s for years and never found one for cheaper than like 72k lol even before the used car market went crazy. G8x is pretty ridiculous value considering it performs well and the interior is still quite nice…there’s really no trade offs.

[NKGK20]

Originally Posted by 340i9114s

These prices!!! Getting up near Porsche 911 range...

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1763294

I mean realistically what Porsche would you even get? A boxster? Most Porsches will have 5k-10k markup on them..

[mzcp]

Originally Posted by NKGK20

I mean realistically what Porsche would you even get? A boxster? Most Porsches will have 5k-10k markup on them..

GT3 are going $100k over MSRP. You can buy a nice G8X with that markup.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by mzcp

GT3 are going $100k over MSRP. You can buy a nice G8X with that markup.

Yes, and many even over that. Wait for the 200K over GT3 touring, or the 150K over GT4 RS.

[mzcp]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

Yes, and many even over that. Wait for the 200K over GT3 touring, or the 150K over GT4 RS.

That GT4 RS will go thru the roof

[MCM4]

I understand the topic of this thread centers around "price", but doesn't anyone buy what they really want and make price / value a secondary concern? So many topics bring in depreciation and "what it's worth in 3 years", it feels like some are already posturing to get out of a car that have not yet even received.

My M4 Comp will be the realization of a long time dream. I am buying, not leasing. I know it will drop substantially in the coming years. But if I can't afford that loss, I should not be buying it in the first place. I'm getting it to enjoy. If I can get a Porsche or a Blackwing or something else for the same $, who cares? I rather pick the one that most appeals to me, the one I most want to drive.

[F1zbo]

I did consider a 718 GTS or GT4 and ended up ordering a new M3.

I loved the looks of the GT4 but not the liveability for daily driving and the GTS did not do it for me in the looks department.

Also the gearing of the manual is not really that useable for street driving as you would mostly use 1st and 2nd and briefly 3rd for backroad blasting.
Great cars of course but to me a bit flawed for my use case.

When it comes to value for money, in my local market, a _slightly used_ 718 GTS 4.0 with very few options is about 5K USD less than I ended up paying for a brand new factory ordered M3 xdrive with a lot more options than the 718 GTS.

In this market pretty good discounts can be had on M3s but not on Porsches.

I would love a 992 C2S but that is easily 50k more than the M3 so I am not sure which Porsches people are actually comparing to the M3 when they complain it's to expensive.

I would argue the G8X comp is actually pretty excellent value as it is very close to the 992 C2S in terms of track performance.

[G MONEY]

Originally Posted by MCM4

I understand the topic of this thread centers around "price", but doesn't anyone buy what they really want and make price / value a secondary concern? So many topics bring in depreciation and "what it's worth in 3 years", it feels like some are already posturing to get out of a car that have not yet even received.

My M4 Comp will be the realization of a long time dream. I am buying, not leasing. I know it will drop substantially in the coming years. But if I can't afford that loss, I should not be buying it in the first place. I'm getting it to enjoy. If I can get a Porsche or a Blackwing or something else for the same $, who cares? I rather pick the one that most appeals to me, the one I most want to drive.

1000 %. Buy what you want and drive the shit out of it!! There is no comparison in down the road value between P cars and Beemers. One holds the other drops.

[Draper]

Originally Posted by G MONEY

1000 %. Buy what you want and drive the shit out of it!! There is no comparison in down the road value between P cars and Beemers. One holds the other drops.

Unless you're buying a GT car, P cars get beat up too.

Just a weird time in the market right now.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Draper

Unless you're buying a GT car, P cars get beat up too.

Just a weird time in the market right now.

I'd add, unless it's a GT or GTS the others are very good at holding value but the GTS are great and the GT cars generally hold incredibly great.