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      11-03-2020, 08:57 AM   #1
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G83 Ordering/Pricing Questions

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I currently have an F33 430i xDrive and previously had an F11 528i xDrive. I am ordering a G83 M4 xDrive, and it will be my first M purchase. Looking for opinions:

- Production supposedly starts July 2021. When do you think ordering will open up? Do you think we will be looking at a Fall delivery? Is BMW ever delayed in their releases or is this a pretty good estimate?

- Will my dealership charge extra to swap out the tires for all-seasons? I live in Chicago, won't be taking it on a track, and don't want to be swapping out tires every six months.

- How practical will the carbon fiber seats be for a daily driver? We have one in college and another one heading off in a year. I'll be making 400 mile drives with this car. I love the way they look though, especially with the top down!

Trying to not make this a $100K car!

Thoughts?

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      11-03-2020, 10:09 AM   #2
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Hello.
- Production starts July 2021. When do you think ordering will open up? Do you think we will be looking at a Fall delivery? Is BMW ever delayed in their releases or is this a pretty good estimate?
Are we sure the G83 M-xDrive SOP is 7/2021? I suppose it sort of says that in the future models thread, but not quite 100% clear with his punctuation there. I think it could at least make sense that if M-xDrive is launching in July and the G83 is launching in July, that it would be available. If so, yes, you could likely expect a Fall delivery.

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- Will my dealership charge extra to swap out the tires for all-seasons? I live in Chicago, won't be taking it on a track, and don't want to be swapping out tires every six months.
Yes, it will likely need to be delivered with the summer tires. I'll buy your summer tires next Fall if you don't want them, I'll probably go through a set by then. I would caution that all seasons on a car with that much torque in a Chicago winter might not be a great idea. I wouldn't trust a set of all seasons below 20 degrees or so on a clear/dry day.

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- How practical will the carbon fiber seats be for a daily driver? We have one in college and another one heading off in a year. I'll be making 400 mile drives with this car. I love the way they look though, especially with the top down!
People are saying they're more comfortable than you would expect, but I would imagine it really depends on your body. I couldn't stand any BMW seats that weren't multi-contour (second hinge mid-back) before my F80, but I'm fine in the F80 and make several 300+ mile trips a year. I expect the G8x carbon buckets to have a fairly similar comfort level to the F80 competition seats, but they'll grab me a little better and be able to sit a little lower. They also add legroom for your second row passengers.
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      11-03-2020, 11:29 AM   #3
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Hello.

I currently have an F33 430i xDrive and previously had an F11 528i xDrive. I am ordering a G83 M4 xDrive, and it will be my first M purchase. Looking for opinions:

- Production supposedly starts July 2021. When do you think ordering will open up? Do you think we will be looking at a Fall delivery? Is BMW ever delayed in their releases or is this a pretty good estimate?

- Will my dealership charge extra to swap out the tires for all-seasons? I live in Chicago, won't be taking it on a track, and don't want to be swapping out tires every six months.

- How practical will the carbon fiber seats be for a daily driver? We have one in college and another one heading off in a year. I'll be making 400 mile drives with this car. I love the way they look though, especially with the top down!

Trying to not make this a $100K car!

Thoughts?
It is 99% certain the vert will only come as Mxdrive (only thing remaining is the official bmw presser)
-official ordering will not start till late spring likely right in line with the rest of the 2022 changeover for the 3 and 4
- however if you need fall delivery I would chat with your dealer(s) now about locking up one of their first allocations. Although they will not have a specific date for you if you end up 3rd or 4th in line that could mean a winter delivery.

Dealer will charge you full price for a set of all seasons. (At least you can keep the summers) You are much better off price wise taking to a tire shop. You also will have a very limited selection of the best dry grip ultra high performance all seasons. As noted these cars are going to put down a lot of power.
It's worth it to at least give some thought to separate summer and winter rims/tires for a vehicle of this type.
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- Will my dealership charge extra to swap out the tires for all-seasons? I live in Chicago, won't be taking it on a track, and don't want to be swapping out tires every six months.
Welcome! Here is some advice....don't get an M if you're going to put on all seasons...

If you do so, you're negating the vast majority of the performance (the only part of the car that touches the road is the rubber and it's the most important part). Also, the car won't be that f*king good in the snow either! You're familiar with the expression "jack of all trades, master or none." That is applicable to all season tires.

If you wish to drive an M as a daily in a temperate climate (like NYC or Chicago), you need to run winters. That's the bad news. The good news is that you will get 4-5 years off a single set of winter tires. If you drive conservatively, you can get several years off of performance tires as well (I can run through a set of Michelin PS4S in 2 weeks or 2 years depending on how I drive).

I run Michelin Aplins in the winter...I am an avid skier and it is amazing what a RWD car can do with dedicated winter tires.

So, since you're not burning through tires faster (you're utilizing performance tires from april to early later october and winters for the balance of each year), the only cost is the 2x/year tire swap. If you get an alignment performed along with the tire swap, you're additional cost should be $400-$500 per year of ownership.

If you have any additional questions feel free to DM or respond here...but please don't put all seasons on a G83.
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Welcome! Here is some advice....don't get an M if you're going to put on all seasons...

If you do so, you're negating the vast majority of the performance (the only part of the car that touches the road is the rubber and it's the most important part). Also, the car won't be that f*king good in the snow either! You're familiar with the expression "jack of all trades, master or none." That is applicable to all season tires.

If you wish to drive an M as a daily in a temperate climate (like NYC or Chicago), you need to run winters. That's the bad news. The good news is that you will get 4-5 years off a single set of winter tires. If you drive conservatively, you can get several years off of performance tires as well (I can run through a set of Michelin PS4S in 2 weeks or 2 years depending on how I drive).

I run Michelin Aplins in the winter...I am an avid skier and it is amazing what a RWD car can do with dedicated winter tires.

So, since you're not burning through tires faster (you're utilizing performance tires from april to early later october and winters for the balance of each year), the only cost is the 2x/year tire swap. If you get an alignment performed along with the tire swap, you're additional cost should be $400-$500 per year of ownership.

If you have any additional questions feel free to DM or respond here...but please don't put all seasons on a G83.
Thank you for the honest advice... I will go with it. If I'm going to spend that amount on a car, I might as well not go half-assed on one of the most important pieces. I probably have to get another set of rims too though, right? Or can they just swap the tires?
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Thank you for the honest advice... I will go with it. If I'm going to spend that amount on a car, I might as well not go half-assed on one of the most important pieces. I probably have to get another set of rims too though, right? Or can they just swap the tires?
Honestly just get a set of cheap wheels off of tire rack. You donít want the salt eating your wheels up.
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Welcome! Here is some advice....don't get an M if you're going to put on all seasons...

If you do so, you're negating the vast majority of the performance (the only part of the car that touches the road is the rubber and it's the most important part). Also, the car won't be that f*king good in the snow either! You're familiar with the expression "jack of all trades, master or none." That is applicable to all season tires.

If you wish to drive an M as a daily in a temperate climate (like NYC or Chicago), you need to run winters. That's the bad news. The good news is that you will get 4-5 years off a single set of winter tires. If you drive conservatively, you can get several years off of performance tires as well (I can run through a set of Michelin PS4S in 2 weeks or 2 years depending on how I drive).

I run Michelin Aplins in the winter...I am an avid skier and it is amazing what a RWD car can do with dedicated winter tires.

So, since you're not burning through tires faster (you're utilizing performance tires from april to early later october and winters for the balance of each year), the only cost is the 2x/year tire swap. If you get an alignment performed along with the tire swap, you're additional cost should be $400-$500 per year of ownership.

If you have any additional questions feel free to DM or respond here...but please don't put all seasons on a G83.
Thank you for the honest advice... I will go with it. If I'm going to spend that amount on a car, I might as well not go half-assed on one of the most important pieces. I probably have to get another set of rims too though, right? Or can they just swap the tires?
When I got my first F80 in 2015 I got lucky and there was a group buy on the forums for a winter set. Wheels and tires. I live in Chicagoland as well. A lot of tire shops will store and swap the wheels for you. I paid $75 a season which included storage. So $150 for the year. I made an appointment, quick drive over, 30 minute swap and they stored my wheels until the next season. I typically only had the winters on November through February.
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Honestly just get a set of cheap wheels off of tire rack. You donít want the salt eating your wheels up.
These cars deserve to have great wheels on them at all times. Either swap just the tires or buy a dedicated winter wheel set up.

i had 640M winter wheels and conti winter contact tires on my first F80.

On my CS, the "CS wheels" (763M) really separate the car from other F80s. I have kept the wheels on both winters I had the car so that I keep the "CS look" and I just swap out the tires.
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On my CS, the "CS wheels" (763M) really separate the car from other F80s. I have kept the wheels on both winters I had the car so that I keep the "CS look" and I just swap out the tires.
I think I'm going to go this route with my next lease. I did separate wheels for the F80, partly because I was dead set on getting a square setup to try to maximize traction in the snow. I abandoned that idea after the first season because I didn't like the stretch on the rears, and really only cared about cold whether traction than dealing with snow. The other part was having the rationale that paying for mounting and balancing for 4 wheels 2 times a year for 3 years would be close to the cost of a set of decent secondhand wheels, plus I could sell them afterwards.

In reality, I usually had a tire or two that needed to be replaced each time I put the summers back on anyway, plus I managed to scratch one of my summer wheels during transport (which I was trying to avoid a tire place doing with the extra mounting). This mixed with not really liking the 437Ms I got for more winter setup as much just made me wonder what the hassle would be.

I suppose the selection of winter tires for the 20" wheels wasn't as good then as is it now either, especially when I was looking mid-fall.
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another vote for separate winter tires/wheels from tire rack.
that's what I've done for years since '07 335, '14 435 and '18 M4.
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I bet they will not start production in July 2021 due to COVID-19. Germany just recorded the most daily cases since the start of the pandemic. Hopefully it does not get pushed into 2022.
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