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I drive my cars on PS4S in summer and Pirelli Sottozero 3 / Scorpion Winter in the cold months. Due to my tire choices, I am always in control of my vehicle in all conditions no matter if I'm casual slow driving to the grocery store or driving aggressively, getting the most of my BMWs. If I were to change to A/S tires, I would have higher risk of losing control of my vehicle and would drive accordingly, but why have that higher risk? The rubber you choose keeps you in control.
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Ultimately I don't care if the skidpad goes from 0.95 to 0.97 because of a nicer pair of tires, what matters to me is how the steering response is. Part of me says, you're spending the money on an M3.... what's another $1,500 on good tires. Another part of me says, well if it doesn't make a significant difference in day to day summer driving performance, do I really need to spend that $1,500?
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If you prefer a little bit of roll at turn in, a tire with a softer sidewall like a PS4s is great. If you prefer a more precise but harsher steering feel, tires with stiffer sidewalls are plentiful in the low end of the price range for performance summer tires. 99% of the people on this forum couldn't tell the difference between an high end all season and a summer performance tire while driving it. It's all the usual spreadsheet nonsense of "tire X stops 10 feet sooner from 60 MPH than the all season tire Y". I doubt you'd be unhappy with an A/S 3+ or DWS 06 tire from a performance perspective, but they can get quite noisy as they wear. They're very quiet when new so it's a common complaint. I have PS4S that are quite loud on my current car, but that's expected. |
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Ok I appreciate the short debate on all season vs summer tires, but lets try to get back to the original thread intent: if you are going to get he G8X and live in a cold climate, how are you equipping it from the factory and what is your winter setup looking like. Definitely some great responses so far. I like that some people take a more performance focused approach and others a more conservative approach. These perspectives help
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Others are not bothered about it as you got a different answer from a member here. So it’s not right or wrong in general, it varies person to person. |
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I live in Switzerland and here the roads are in winter often fully covered in snow, besides some main roads they plow. I ordered an M4C RWD with the 19/20 setup, that will become my winter rims with winter tires. I was lucky to test drive the M4C in that 19/20 setup two weeks ago in very bad conditions (slush,full snow, wet roads). It performed very good! Currently I drive an M2 with factory summersetup in terms of size, but of course winter tires. On normal roads and smaller hills never had any issues, performs very good, but of course you will get to a limit if you need to drive very steep and snow covered roads. So I would say, if you have a lot of snow, steep hills and garage entries and so on, I would choose AWD.. |
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As for how to equip the car for winter. When I order I always buy what I want in summer for my M3s and not let winter decide. If I want RWD and a certain summer wheel/tire type that’s what I order.
If I deal with harsh winter when picking up the car I’ll ask the dealer to put on a separate winter set before delivery. Either purchased from the dealer or brought in by me. If I want AWD in summer like with the G8X I order that. AWD is so much more pros and cons than just added winter traction, I would not select AWD solely based on winter for a car like the M3. |
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I think the G8x performance tire is the PS4S. The front tire will be very easy to sell (275/35/19) while the rear might take a tiny little bit more time. You'll be able to get a good amount back selling even on Facebook Marketplace or something like that. The dealers only typically sell specific 'approved' tires, so your selection isn't going to be great. You're better off ordering the tires from Tire Rack and getting it installed elsewhere. Some places (Discount Tire) even have friendly return policies so you can return/exchange your tires if you don't like them. |
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what I usually do, depending on the time of the year the car is delivered , is to use summer tires and do the switch depending on weather to UHP AS tires in the cold season and keeping them on... our area is hilly and gets fair amount of snow and I had no problem with UHP AS tires on cars with more HP E63 S AMG ran 3 years with continental DWS 06 M5C currently running Michelin A/S 3 + and this is second winter with them , no issues so far |
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Blizzacks are a must for snow but the real issue is how far your going and what speed.
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I'd say I drive moderately aggressive; I mean how much can you get away with on public roads. I've run summer performance Michelin and High Performance Continental DWS 06. For how I drive the Continental DWS 06 are very good. For those that claim to need a max performance summer tire; I've yet to see anyone utilize that kind of grip on the street. |
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I'm just saying that window of driving like you're an F1 driver is tiny. I've done top speed runs on the Michelin and Conti all Season no difference. Today it was 45 degrees; tonight driving it was 37 with slippery patches; it's days like this I appreciate the DWS 06. |
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Just to chime in with my experience with the Michelin A/S 3+
They are fine as "summers" - obviously not as much grip as PS4S. It's not that you need all that grip for cornering on public roads unless you're a hooligan, but if you do a full brake slam at, say, 60 mph, you will notice a difference with A/S 3+ and PS4S. In the cold dry and cold wet, the A/S 3+ are pretty good. But on actual snow and ice, they suck. Better than summer tires, obviously, but not good. I live in Chicago, so most of my winter miles are on salted plowed roads, and I don't have to worry about hills. |
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