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      02-18-2022, 09:52 AM   #23
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Wow Golf R hanging with the big boys!
I know this sounds crazy but i was looking to get a Golf R/RS3 but i was never given any date as to when they would be available State side so i built out my M3. I still do not think there are any of either car in the country.
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      02-18-2022, 10:17 AM   #24
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I know this sounds crazy but i was looking to get a Golf R/RS3 but i was never given any date as to when they would be available State side so i built out my M3. I still do not think there are any of either car in the country.
I drove the new RS3 a couple of weeks ago, you would have regretted your choice
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How's the wear after one track day? How many heat cycles until they are toast etc?
If you are fast, the MPS4S will not last the day. 3 heat cycles and they will be shredded at the front. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Might depend on the track +/- another couple of heat cycles.

Go Cups, Hoosiers, NT01 etc. Otherwise you won’t have much fun at the track and will curse wildly on the street.
Yeah I e toasted my MPS4S in one day, however these are newer Star versions for the G8X, so I'm wondering if it's wear characteristics are any better.
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
Nah. Corvettes are just that good lol

And that stingray is just a base entry level corvette
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
Nah. Corvettes are just that good lol

And that stingray is just a base entry level corvette
Yes - the Z06 is going to be insane…
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Yes - the Z06 is going to be insane…
I am so exited to get mine. It’s America’s gt3!! For half the price lol
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Yes - the Z06 is going to be insane…
I am so exited to get mine. It’s America’s gt3!! For half the price lol
I've had 3 M3's and I have to say - definitely thinking about a Z06 - closest I can get to owning a car with Ferrari-like performance and still have enough money to have food, water and a roof over my head..
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I've had 3 M3's and I have to say - definitely thinking about a Z06 - closest I can get to owning a car with Ferrari-like performance and still have enough money to have food, water and a roof over my head..

If people took the time to watch the engineering and design of the LT6, it is actually A LOT better than the NA flat plane engine used in the ferrari 458.

The LT6, in simple terms, moves so much volume of air, it's NA but boosted at the same time.

The engine is a masterpiece. Coupled that with the ME layout of the C8, the DCT, i mean come on. GM gave a ferrari to the consumer right before corvettes will soon to have zero sound.

Every single person, corvette fan or not, all want a C8Z.

Now i'm afraid of people jacking my shit when i get mine lol.
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shows how much of a good deal a corvette at MSRP is
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Every single person, corvette fan or not, all want a C8Z.
I have zero interest in one. 🤷🏻
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I have zero interest in one. 🤷🏻
Yeah - I would never buy one either. I'd rather have a GT4
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If people took the time to watch the engineering and design of the LT6, it is actually A LOT better than the NA flat plane engine used in the ferrari 458.

The LT6, in simple terms, moves so much volume of air, it's NA but boosted at the same time.

The engine is a masterpiece. Coupled that with the ME layout of the C8, the DCT, i mean come on. GM gave a ferrari to the consumer right before corvettes will soon to have zero sound.

Every single person, corvette fan or not, all want a C8Z.

Now i'm afraid of people jacking my shit when i get mine lol.
Probably in the US, but overseas people barely know what a Corvette is, I've never seen a C8 so far through Switzerland, Italy and Germany. In Europe you are much more likely to see a Pagani or a Bugatti than a Corvette.
No offense, but if someone wants a Ferrari and can afford it, buy a Ferrari, not an American-wannabe-Ferrari just because it's cheaper. Don't forget about future value as well.
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Probably in the US, but overseas people barely know what a Corvette is, I've never seen a C8 so far through Switzerland, Italy and Germany. In Europe you are much more likely to see a Pagani or a Bugatti than a Corvette.
No offense, but if someone wants a Ferrari and can afford it, buy a Ferrari, not an American-wannabe-Ferrari just because it's cheaper. Don't forget about future value as well.
That's strange as ferrari owners joined the corvette forum stating they're on the z06 list lol.

Not saying the z06 is better than a ferrari because that wouldn't make sense. No car is better than another.

The z06 WILL be a better value over a ferrari, as most z06's are in terms of performance for dollar. But i totally get people would want a ferrari (if they can afford it), because of the name.

I was just saying GM offered their version of the ferrari 458 but better at a time when everyone is going EV and/or smaller displacement turbo engine. GM puiled out all the stops and offered a monster NA engine that sings better than the 458.

Corvettes aren't for everyone. But usually those who dislike them, or have no interest in them, always seem to talk, smile, and look at them when they're around them lol. At least that's my experience

GM did a great job with this one
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
You are comparing apples to oranges. You can't draw a conclusion on a car that wasn't even in the test.
The Corvette was in the test….
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I would have expected it to be much faster than the Covette, as in a couple of seconds faster. I guess xDrive is not the solution for going fast around the track, only for races from the dig.
You are comparing apples to oranges. You can't draw a conclusion on a car that wasn't even in the test.
The Corvette was in the test….
Clearly is was but how can anyone conclude the xdrive doesn't improve track time vs a RWD M3? Unless I read it wrong and he was comparing to the Corvette.
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Yeah I e toasted my MPS4S in one day, however these are newer Star versions for the G8X, so I'm wondering if it's wear characteristics are any better.
I’ve seen the star spec tires toasted by a fast guy in a G80 Comp at PittRace, in just 3 sessions. Makes no difference at all.

People who claim otherwise are just slow.
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Yeah I e toasted my MPS4S in one day, however these are newer Star versions for the G8X, so I'm wondering if it's wear characteristics are any better.
I’ve seen the star spec tires toasted by a fast guy in a G80 Comp at PittRace, in just 3 sessions. Makes no difference at all.

People who claim otherwise are just slow.
Damnit. I want my miracle tire NOW!
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That's strange as ferrari owners joined the corvette forum stating they're on the z06 list lol.

Not saying the z06 is better than a ferrari because that wouldn't make sense. No car is better than another.

The z06 WILL be a better value over a ferrari, as most z06's are in terms of performance for dollar. But i totally get people would want a ferrari (if they can afford it), because of the name.

I was just saying GM offered their version of the ferrari 458 but better at a time when everyone is going EV and/or smaller displacement turbo engine. GM puiled out all the stops and offered a monster NA engine that sings better than the 458.

Corvettes aren't for everyone. But usually those who dislike them, or have no interest in them, always seem to talk, smile, and look at them when they're around them lol. At least that's my experience

GM did a great job with this one
You can look at this from the other perspective as well. Just after everyone else moved away from high revving NA motors, GM came late to the party. Why didn’t they do it 10 years ago, when it would have made an impact.

Plus, given how much trouble their “special engines” have had in the past, I’d wait a year or two before buying. Unless you like beta testing for them.

For example, the new brakes on the C8 seem to be engineered very well, they look the part, feel the part, but somehow are utter crap on track. Whether it’s the pad compounds, lack of sufficient cooling for the speed of the car, or something else, I don’t know. But last time on track, I helped a guy swap new pads halfway through and he still got *massive* deposits, to the point the car became undriveable.

So let’s wait and see the actual performance and owner satisfaction before we declare a masterpiece. I’m rooting for them, but just sayin.
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Forget Porsche, forget the new Z06, of all of the cars in that list I want to drive the Yaris the most.
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The second part of the test is online.

Watching the Giulia GTAm I assume that the M4 benefited greatly from all-wheel drive, the RWD version would have been significantly slower on this track in these conditions.
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You can look at this from the other perspective as well. Just after everyone else moved away from high revving NA motors, GM came late to the party. Why didn’t they do it 10 years ago, when it would have made an impact.

Plus, given how much trouble their “special engines” have had in the past, I’d wait a year or two before buying. Unless you like beta testing for them.

For example, the new brakes on the C8 seem to be engineered very well, they look the part, feel the part, but somehow are utter crap on track. Whether it’s the pad compounds, lack of sufficient cooling for the speed of the car, or something else, I don’t know. But last time on track, I helped a guy swap new pads halfway through and he still got *massive* deposits, to the point the car became undriveable.

So let’s wait and see the actual performance and owner satisfaction before we declare a masterpiece. I’m rooting for them, but just sayin.

Because of GM bankruptcy. The C7Z was supposed to have an NA engine. The LT4 was a last minute botch just so they can put the car for sale. The C7Z final piece was an afterthought.

As far as the other stuff, i have not heard of any brake issues like that on any people i know with C8's.

The only issue i see from a stock C8 stingray are alignment issues, causing massive understeer from factory. Once owners get the alignment sorted out, they are running with C7Z's and porsches. It's insane performance for what the car is. An entry level corvette.

The Z06 is so advanced compared to a stingray. Not in the same league. So it's hard to look at the stingray and point out it's flaws and think it'll be the same for the z06. Z06's are just that much better.
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Because of GM bankruptcy. The C7Z was supposed to have an NA engine. The LT4 was a last minute botch just so they can put the car for sale. The C7Z final piece was an afterthought.

As far as the other stuff, i have not heard of any brake issues like that on any people i know with C8's.

The only issue i see from a stock C8 stingray are alignment issues, causing massive understeer from factory. Once owners get the alignment sorted out, they are running with C7Z's and porsches. It's insane performance for what the car is. An entry level corvette.

The Z06 is so advanced compared to a stingray. Not in the same league. So it's hard to look at the stingray and point out it's flaws and think it'll be the same for the z06. Z06's are just that much better.
Interesting, appreciate the insight. And I hope you are right, I’m intrigued by the new Z06 perhaps as my next car.

But as for your other comment, running with the C7Z and Porsches, well, that’s not saying much. I pass those and more exotics all day long. My car is quick, but shouldn’t be that quick.
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