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      01-08-2022, 10:23 PM   #1
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What is your view on Laserlights? I've heard on dark rural roads they're great, but otherwise in general urban conditions there isn't a great advantage to having them. On paper they look pretty good. Anyone have real world feedback?
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Personally I don’t care about their functionality I just love the look of them
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I'm not sure what the headlight restrictions are like in Canada, but, in the US, we get the dumbed down German version of their full adaptive lasers.

This is how they're supposed to work. But in America, anti dazzle decoded and removed. It can be re-enabled. But, if Canada allows the full version, this is what you get that you don't get with the standard headlights. Everything in the video is automatic.
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Personally I don’t care about their functionality I just love the look of them
+1 on this. they just look fantastic. regular they just look like a G2x. I regretted the first time on my 2021 build, got them for my 22 build!
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I like them and they do look brighter in dark areas vs the LEDs on my previous F30. Given how the come in the Premium package and how up here the heated seats are pretty much a must (unless you are not driving it anywhere near winter), combined with the HUD and other options in the ZPP, I'd say you should go for it if within budget.
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I'm not sure what the headlight restrictions are like in Canada, but, in the US, we get the dumbed down German version of their full adaptive lasers.

This is how they're supposed to work. But in America, anti dazzle decoded and removed. It can be re-enabled. But, if Canada allows the full version, this is what you get that you don't get with the standard headlights. Everything in the video is automatic.
this.is. AMAZING.
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They don't get used in the city, but about 10 minutes outside of the suburbs late at night they are really astounding. I'm not sure the value of 1k for the limited times I can use them is there. However, they look awesome, work great, and I can't lie but I smile every time I say I have laser highbeams. I'll buy them again without hesitation.
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I'm not sure what the headlight restrictions are like in Canada, but, in the US, we get the dumbed down German version of their full adaptive lasers.

This is how they're supposed to work. But in America, anti dazzle decoded and removed. It can be re-enabled. But, if Canada allows the full version, this is what you get that you don't get with the standard headlights. Everything in the video is automatic.
Can Bimmercode can decode this feature back in to IS DOT neutered versions?
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I think they are downcoded to like 30% of the brightness they have in Europe? Not sure of the exact number, but it's something like that aside from the anti-dazzle. I haven't seen anyone that has been able to code back the full brightness for some reason.
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Personally I don't care about their functionality I just love the look of them
+2.

This option would be a deal breaker for me.

If chip shortage isnt an issue, this option should be standard on all Ms.
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      01-09-2022, 06:39 AM   #11
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Personally I don’t care about their functionality I just love the look of them
Same I don't drive my car at night. The drl on the lasers loom a lot better to me
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      01-09-2022, 06:43 AM   #12
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Same as written above, I couldn't care less about funcionality, just the looks make the difference vs standard headlights.
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Code them so they work as intended (in US) and they are amazing. So stupid that it will take them years more to fully legalize these in the US. They make driving at night much safer, you can see much better too.

Regarding driving in the city, where I live driving in the city limits often some of the bright lights are on at night(due to anti-dazzle). I can not think of one time where another driver has flashed me to turn them off.

They look great but if you plan to code them to work correctly get them for sure totally worth the money.
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Thank you all for the information. I'm getting that for aesthetics they are desirable, less seem to be interested in the night driving benefits. I'm in Canada, I don't believe there are any restrictions. They're included in the ZPP Premium Package, but further down on my order sheet it shows "ZRO Laserlights removed". I've asked to have them included, however supply chain issues may get in the way of this request. I don't do much rural driving, so it comes down to the look, which I agree for a M car they should be included.
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I think they are downcoded to like 30% of the brightness they have in Europe? Not sure of the exact number, but it's something like that aside from the anti-dazzle. I haven't seen anyone that has been able to code back the full brightness for some reason.
It’s gotta be something like that because I’m less than unimpressed with their actual performance.
I was just thinking the other day I need to at least raise them a little like I did in F80 to get a little more light on the road.
Maybe I’m crazy but there is nothing better than e46/e90 HIDs in terms of lit up picture in front of the car and sheer brightness
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I think they are downcoded to like 30% of the brightness they have in Europe? Not sure of the exact number, but it's something like that aside from the anti-dazzle. I haven't seen anyone that has been able to code back the full brightness for some reason.
It’s gotta be something like that because I’m less than unimpressed with their actual performance.
I was just thinking the other day I need to at least raise them a little like I did in F80 to get a little more light on the road.
Maybe I’m crazy but there is nothing better than e46/e90 HIDs in terms of lit up picture in front of the car and sheer brightness
I love powerful headlights! I was hoping for that with Laserlights. My build is mid March, probably won't see the car until June when we have long days, sunset isn't usually until after 10pm. (It's awesome!) So if I get Laserlights I'll probably have to wait until Fall to see how they perform. I ok with all of this, I'm just excited to get my first M car!
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They are reduced by 30% in the US, not 70%. Not a must have except for the look, but I wouldn't get a car without them. For $1K it is a no brainer.
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I thought I saw somewhere on here that EU spec laser lights are soon to come in the USA? I personally love mine (US spec) on my m340. I would order them on any car if available.
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I thought I saw somewhere on here that EU spec laser lights are soon to come in the USA? I personally love mine (US spec) on my m340. I would order them on any car if available.
The infrastructure bill enables the DOT to allow it. They haven't yet. Hopefully soon.

Biggest question is will BMW enable this feature on existing cars once it's legal via the OTA? I hope so. I got mine coded, but it would be nice to get the latest software updates without having to recode every time.
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What is your view on Laserlights? I've heard on dark rural roads they're great, but otherwise in general urban conditions there isn't a great advantage to having them. On paper they look pretty good. Anyone have real world feedback?
I ordered them on my G82. The wife's new Mercedes has the same functionality as the laser light and was also dumbed down for US market. I paid $300 to have her car coded and it's unbelievable. For $1000 between the look and functionality it's a no-brainer.
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I think they are downcoded to like 30% of the brightness they have in Europe? Not sure of the exact number, but it's something like that aside from the anti-dazzle. I haven't seen anyone that has been able to code back the full brightness for some reason.
I thoroughly investigated the BMW Laser light technology and there was nothing to indicate that the light output or overall hardware itself varies by region.

The only difference between the US spec lights and the rest of the world is only the US version has mandatory LED amber side markers, which is now done in a subtle and tasteful manner, so it's a feature as far as I'm concerned.

It seems BMW more or less designed the overall light technology modular, probably to save cost and efficiency and then just bin each individual features that might not be allowed due to local regulations, like Anti-dazzle via coding. Nevertheless, I believe the light output itself is all the same.

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I think they are downcoded to like 30% of the brightness they have in Europe? Not sure of the exact number, but it's something like that aside from the anti-dazzle. I haven't seen anyone that has been able to code back the full brightness for some reason.
I thoroughly investigated the BMW Laser light technology and there was nothing to indicate that the light output or overall hardware itself varies by region.

The only difference between the US spec lights and the rest of the world is the US version has mandatory LED amber markers, which is now done in a subtly and tasteful manner, so it's a feature.

It seems BMW more or less designed the overall light technology modular, probably to save cost and efficiency and then just bin each individual features that might not be allowed due to local regulations, like Anti-dazzle via coding. Nevertheless, I believe the light output itself is all the same.

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Your overall post is correct, however it's been reported here (I'm not 100% sure this is correct) that the decrease in light output is achieved through software. The lights are the same hardware, as you said.

I'm not sure if part of the anti dazzle coding also removes the light output restriction.
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