[Poochie]

Originally Posted by omaralt

are touchscreens still not available? i can't imagine using carplay without a touchscreen

IDrive 4 EVO and iDrive 5 had a CarPlay option, without touchscreen and consumers got by just fine.

It might sound like a step backwards for some folks that adorn touchscreens but it's not the end of the world; CarPlay still functions with just the iDrive controller knob.

[jimbethesda]

Originally Posted by Poochie

IDrive 4 EVO and iDrive 5 had a CarPlay option, without touchscreen and consumers got by just fine.

It might sound like a step backward for some folks that adorn touchscreens but it's not the end of the world; CarPlay still functions with just the iDrive controller knob.

Yeah, my wife's Q7 has CarPlay without a touchscreen. It works fine

[jimbethesda]

Originally Posted by moproblems

That is 100% what they will do, but ID7 does not have native wired AA.

I hope so. My wireless CarPlay drops sometimes, I'd love a wired option.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Poochie

IDrive 4 EVO and iDrive 5 had a CarPlay option, without touchscreen and consumers got by just fine.

It might sound like a step backward for some folks that adorn touchscreens but it's not the end of the world; CarPlay still functions with just the iDrive controller knob.

Maybe we should go back to xenon headlights and the business cd and the navigation where you scroll the knob letter by letter. Maybe BMW will increase the price by 10% this year too. It's wouldn't be the end of the world, just a hilarious rip off for a sports car in 2022.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Maybe we should go back to xenon headlights and the business cd and the navigation where you scroll the knob letter by letter. Maybe BMW will increase the price by 10% this year too. It's wouldn't be the end of the world, just a hilarious rip off for a sports car in 2022.

Hey, it is what it is.. 🤷🏻

A lot of stuff that's happening now I really don't appreciate and is setting me back personally, way beyond the realm of a missing CarPlay feature but the fact of the matter is it's going to be some time before their vendors ramp up production and their parts supply is in the green again..

[jmg]

I have a build date of 12/2 of an incoming car, but I haven't been informed of anything like this. My build sheet says "ZAX Apple CarPlay and Android Auto Compatibility".

Frankly, I think the touch screen is useless, too distracting and difficult to use while driving. I much prefer the iDrive controller. Carplay is a convenience, but not a deal breaker, but I do like it.

[BigMo]

Wife just got a brand new X7 with wireless CarPlay and no touchscreen. Takes a little getting used and a little annoying at first but really not a huge deal.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by jmg

I have a build date of 12/2 of an incoming car, but I haven't been informed of anything like this. My build sheet says "ZAX Apple CarPlay and Android Auto Compatibility".

Frankly, I think the touch screen is useless, too distracting and difficult to use while driving. I much prefer the iDrive controller. Carplay is a convenience, but not a deal breaker, but I do like it.

Have you used the touch screen? I think it's faster, safer and more efficient to use while driving than the idrive controller because you can go right to what you want with your finger rather than having to scroll around the screen with the wheel. I feel like it would be hard to go back now that I'm used to having it.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by snareman

Have you used the touch screen? I think it's faster, safer and more efficient to use while driving than the idrive controller because you can go right to what you want with your finger rather than having to scroll around the screen with the wheel. I feel like it would be hard to go back now that I'm used to having it.

Yes, I've had 7 BMW's with the modern iDrive and my last 2 or 3 have had the touch screen. There is no feedback. Nor any stability on less than ideal roads, so I find trying to hit a specific button takes my eyes off the road for much too long trying to hit the right button. With the controller I can just scroll and glance quickly where the selector is and know exactly how many "clicks" I am away from what I want. Maybe I'm old school, I don't like a touch screen without a well designed physical UI. Frankly, some car manufacturers are either too lazy or too inept at UI design to come up with anything that's as good as iDrive. I like that we have both, for the people who like physical buttons like me, and the ones that don't mind finger smudges all over their screens!

[kjx]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes, I've had 7 BMW's with the modern iDrive and my last 2 or 3 have had the touch screen. There is no feedback. Nor any stability on less than ideal roads, so I find trying to hit a specific button takes my eyes off the road for much too long trying to hit the right button. With the controller I can just scroll and glance quickly where the selector is and know exactly how many "clicks" I am away from what I want. Maybe I'm old school, I don't like a touch screen without a well designed physical UI. Frankly, some car manufacturers are either too lazy or too inept at UI design to come up with anything that's as good as iDrive. I like that we have both, for the people who like physical buttons like me, and the ones that don't mind finger smudges all over their screens!

Completely agree. I feel unsafe using Apple CarPlay using the touchscreen driving at speed. Which makes me hate iDrive 8 even more because there are fewer tactile buttons to press to control the air conditioning.

People are going to realize the losing buttons is not 'cool' or 'futuristic' but a sign of abject cheapness on the part of the manufacturer, and hopefully consumer sentiment at large will reflect that reality.

[MTM3]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes, I've had 7 BMW's with the modern iDrive and my last 2 or 3 have had the touch screen. There is no feedback. Nor any stability on less than ideal roads, so I find trying to hit a specific button takes my eyes off the road for much too long trying to hit the right button. With the controller I can just scroll and glance quickly where the selector is and know exactly how many "clicks" I am away from what I want. Maybe I'm old school, I don't like a touch screen without a well designed physical UI. Frankly, some car manufacturers are either too lazy or too inept at UI design to come up with anything that's as good as iDrive. I like that we have both, for the people who like physical buttons like me, and the ones that don't mind finger smudges all over their screens!

Agree. I have already turned off car play after a couple of weeks using it. Idrive knob works better for me and I like cohesive BMW ui instead of looking at basically half ass iPhone screen. Plus I can’t stand smudges so no big loss if I didn’t have CarPlay or touchscreen

[snareman]

Originally Posted by kjx

Completely agree. I feel unsafe using Apple CarPlay using the touchscreen driving at speed. Which makes me hate iDrive 8 even more because there are fewer tactile buttons to press to control the air conditioning.

People are going to realize the losing buttons is not 'cool' or 'futuristic' but a sign of abject cheapness on the part of the manufacturer, and hopefully consumer sentiment at large will reflect that reality.

I agree. iDrive 8 with that new mongo screen and zero buttons seems like an absolutely horrible idea. Unfortunately the only people that seem to think that are those of us that are buying the cars. The designers apparently think it's wonderful.

[vj123]

Originally Posted by kjx

People are going to realize the losing buttons is not 'cool' or 'futuristic' but a sign of abject cheapness on the part of the manufacturer, and hopefully consumer sentiment at large will reflect that reality.

As long as most part of the consumers think latest is always the greatest, OEMs are going to shove these onto their products. Going through several threads, even majority within the forum prefers iDrive 8 over iDrive 7 given a choice.

I think they can do whatever they want onto their EVs and hybrids. But my issue is trickling down these things onto their mainstream and even their performance vehicles.

[BardG]

Originally Posted by jmg

Yes, I've had 7 BMW's with the modern iDrive and my last 2 or 3 have had the touch screen. There is no feedback. Nor any stability on less than ideal roads, so I find trying to hit a specific button takes my eyes off the road for much too long trying to hit the right button. With the controller I can just scroll and glance quickly where the selector is and know exactly how many "clicks" I am away from what I want. Maybe I'm old school, I don't like a touch screen without a well designed physical UI. Frankly, some car manufacturers are either too lazy or too inept at UI design to come up with anything that's as good as iDrive. I like that we have both, for the people who like physical buttons like me, and the ones that don't mind finger smudges all over their screens!

I too have found I rarely use the touch screen when moving. I use it when stationary to enter addresses (if I haven't sent the destination to the car in advance) or maybe a search. (Of course the UI offers more functionality when not moving) I have to admit I'm one of those who don't like the smudges on the screen. As I follow this issue, loosing touch screen functionality isn't concerning me too much. The thought of loosing CarPlay is much more concerning.

[ChargerHellcat]

All this talk of losing this features. Are both the touchscreen and CarPlay confirm gone for all 2022 builds?

[modat]

Originally Posted by ChargerHellcat

All this talk of losing this features. Are both the touchscreen and CarPlay confirm gone for all 2022 builds?

Nothing is confirmed yet. All speculation based off a email

[vj123]

Originally Posted by ChargerHellcat

All this talk of losing this features. Are both the touchscreen and CarPlay confirm gone for all 2022 builds?

Even based on the email, 6UX doesnt affect G8x platforms. Also 6P1 is not a part of a typical G8x build for CarPlay and Android Auto as reported by several people in this thread.

It has become a norm to overreact with limited information. We saw a thread for 2022 US price increase assuming its going to happen for US customers based on Canadian update.

[BMWRacer523]

I find using the touchscreen dangerous at speed, especially trying to scroll. Wheel is safer. Trying to use the personal assistant as much as possible. Still only at 300 miles so have not figured out all the features yet.

[ChargerHellcat]

Originally Posted by vj123

Even based on the email, 6UX doesnt affect G8x platforms. Also 6P1 is not a part of a typical G8x build for CarPlay and Android Auto as reported by several people in this thread.

It has become a norm to overreact with limited information. We saw a thread for 2022 US price increase assuming its going to happen for US customers based on Canadian update.

Agreed. It's like a freaking drama show. Making me nervous as I approach my build week. 5 more weeks and hopefully I'll be in the clear. Hopefully none of these things happened. I don't really care what others think as to what they can live without. I agreed to pay for something and I want it. For 96k not to have touch screen and Apple car play is iffy for me. Apple car play and touch screen, A freaking 2017 car that cost 25k has it. At least make it so it can be retrofitted free of charge down the road.

[Professor///M]

Originally Posted by snareman

Have you used the touch screen? I think it's faster, safer and more efficient to use while driving than the idrive controller because you can go right to what you want with your finger rather than having to scroll around the screen with the wheel. I feel like it would be hard to go back now that I'm used to having it.

Agree with this. My F80 was a non touch screen and I loathed car play due to the nuisance of trying to use the iDrive controller. Found myself looking at the screen too much. My G30 is a touch screen and I love it, even for the iDrive features I used to only use with the controller.

[snareman]

Originally Posted by BMWRacer523

I find using the touchscreen dangerous at speed, especially trying to scroll. Wheel is safer. Trying to use the personal assistant as much as possible. Still only at 300 miles so have not figured out all the features yet.

I agree with the scrolling while driving and find it to be kind of challenging even when stopped trying to scroll through lists on Spotify or addresses in Waze.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by JSTDR1V

Agree with this. My F80 was a non touch screen and I loathed car play due to the nuisance of trying to use the iDrive controller. Found myself looking at the screen too much. My G30 is a touch screen and I love it, even for the iDrive features I used to only use with the controller.

Apple CarPlay? It's pretty easy with the iDrive. Your last 3 apps are always all the way to the left, so I would just spin the wheel all the way to the left then up or down one or two. It's always either Waze or Spotify for me since those are the apps I use most.