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      10-29-2021, 12:18 PM   #1
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Adaptive headlights in Canada

Transport Canada apparently implemented new Canadian Vehicle Lighting Regulations in September:
https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transpo...ghting-systems

Does this mean we get EU style adaptive lighting without any coding?
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Transport Canada apparently implemented new Canadian Vehicle Lighting Regulations in September:
https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transpo...ghting-systems

Does this mean we get EU style adaptive lighting without any coding?
Unless you have another reference that sets out a requirement, that's only a set of definitions for driver assistance technologies in Canada. It doesn't set the requirement for vehicles to have the technology.
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Wait we don't get the euro headlights? What's the difference
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https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ad-headlights/


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Yes we should have the exact same lights as the euro-spec vehicles.

The full regulation breakdown is here: https://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2...ors43-eng.html

The new laws requiring all new vehicles to have automatic front and rear lights that came into effect on Sept 1 are also part of this same amendment. Adaptive/matrix etc headlights are specifically defined in the regs


EDIT: After looking into this a bit more it looks like they do in fact need to be coded to unlock the full euro-spec feature set. It's the exact same hardware though. There are a couple of threads regarding anti-dazzle in the technical forums on lighting that go into detail on it

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https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...ad-headlights/


US and Porsche. What the US gets and doesn't get is irrelevant in Canada.

https://www.bmw.ca/en/topics/offers-...eadlights.html says they are available for M5.

The adaptive headlights are legal here, regs define what is and is not allowed. I'm not surprised Canada would align more with Europe on this.
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Transport Canada apparently implemented new Canadian Vehicle Lighting Regulations in September:
https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transpo...ghting-systems

Does this mean we get EU style adaptive lighting without any coding?
This is not new.

Transport Canada has legalized variable headlight beam patterns since March 2018, yet most European manufacturers (BMW, MB, Audi) go the easy route and still deny us the functionality in Canada, likely for ease of standardization with the US.

I am however happy that Porsche broke the mold and that the functionality of LED Matrix headlights on my 992 are fully enabled from the factory. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit.
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I was hoping the new rules put into effect in September would mean that we would get so called anti-dazzle enabled in Canada since we are further departing from US NHTSA regulations.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...adlight-rules/
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I was hoping the new rules put into effect in September would mean that we would get so called anti-dazzle enabled in Canada since we are further departing from US NHTSA regulations.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...adlight-rules/
You are talking about two very different and distinct technology levels here.

The "phantom vehicle" syndrome is an undesirable by-product of the DRL (Day-time running lights) regulation that Transport Canada enforced in 1989. The DRL in many vehicles can give the false perception to a driver that the night driving lights are on when they are not. The new regulation issued in Mar-2018 and taking effect in Sep-2021 is to alleviate this.

There is no mandating of more advanced headlight systems, which have actually been legalized in Canada since March 2018. It is still up to manufactures discretion to offer/enable these features. Nothing is changing from that perspective.
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You are talking about two very different and distinct technology levels here.

The "phantom vehicle" syndrome is an undesirable by-product of the DRL (Day-time running lights) regulation that Transport Canada enforced in 1989. The DRL in many vehicles can give the false perception to a driver that the night driving lights are on when they are not. The new regulation issued in Mar-2018 and taking effect in Sep-2021 is to alleviate this.

There is no mandating of more advanced headlight systems, which have actually been legalized in Canada since March 2018. It is still up to manufactures discretion to offer/enable these features. Nothing is changing from that perspective.

i think what he is getting at is that the regulations that I linked (https://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2...ors43-eng.html) define regs for both phantom vehicles and also adaptive headlights
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i think what he is getting at is that the regulations that I linked (https://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2...ors43-eng.html) define regs for both phantom vehicles and also adaptive headlights
Correct, I've said the same thing. But adaptive headlight have been legal since Mar 2018, this portion took effect when the regulation was issued. Nothing changes for that in Sep 2021...

The vast majority (not to say all) BMW already have auto-headlights. The new regulation simply means you cannot switch off the auto-headlights, if BMW chose that route to comply. This has nothing to do to with adaptive headlights.
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Correct, I've said the same thing. But adaptive headlight have been legal since Mar 2018, this portion took effect when the regulation was issued. Nothing changes for that in Sep 2021...

The vast majority (not to say all) BMW already have auto-headlights. The new regulation simply means you cannot switch off the auto-headlights. This has nothing to do to with adaptive headlights.
my 435i has the dial to turn off the auto headlights; I wonder if it's removed now for the '22 on the way considering the official sale will happen when delivery happens in december....

also I'm already envious of your 992, but knowing you have the full-featured headlights without messing around with coding is just a little extra salt
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my 435i has the dial to turn off the auto headlights; I wonder if it's removed now for the '22 on the way considering the official sale will happen when delivery happens in december....

also I'm already envious of your 992, but knowing you have the full-featured headlights without messing around with coding is just a little extra salt
Isn't the light switchbox on the G3X/G8X all push-button now (no more rotary dial) ?

That makes preventing the deactivation of the auto-headlight quite simple
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Isn't the light switchbox on the G3X/G8X all push-button now (no more rotary dial) ?

That makes preventing the deactivation of the auto-headlight quite simple
you'd think auto wouldn't be able to be defeated or switched off for the law to really do anything anyway... the gripes for that are summarized here:

https://driving.ca/column/lorraine/t...-but-have-they

"As of September 2021, the Canadian Vehicle Lighting Regulation will require that all new vehicles sold in Canada have one of the following:

- tail lights that come on automatically with daytime running lights
- headlights, tail lights, and side marker lights that turn on automatically in the dark
- a dashboard that stays dark to alert the driver to turn on the lights

I’m an idiot. It says “one”. One of the following. Even Car and Driver is mistakenly championing the move, believing Canadian vehicles now require all three of the options, not just one"
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you'd think auto wouldn't be able to be defeated or switched off for the law to really do anything anyway... the gripes for that are summarized here:

https://driving.ca/column/lorraine/t...-but-have-they

"As of September 2021, the Canadian Vehicle Lighting Regulation will require that all new vehicles sold in Canada have one of the following:

- tail lights that come on automatically with daytime running lights
- headlights, tail lights, and side marker lights that turn on automatically in the dark
- a dashboard that stays dark to alert the driver to turn on the lights

I’m an idiot. It says “one”. One of the following. Even Car and Driver is mistakenly championing the move, believing Canadian vehicles now require all three of the options, not just one"
Correct. Another way BMW can comply with the regulation is by activating the tail lamps with the DRL or having the dash no lit with the DRL. The latter is less and less likely since they are moving to digital instrument clusters.

On my 992, Porsche elected to go the auto headlight route, where they are activated by default. Which is the most sensible approach from a safety standpoint. You can turn them off manually, but they re-activate automatically above 10km/h or after 100m travelled (as per regulation).
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