06-25-2022, 11:24 AM | #1 |
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H&R vs adjustable spring setup from KW and MSS
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In light of my 2023 M4 order receiving Production Scheduled status its time to investigate first modes. Suspension With mods on my previous bmw 3 series I liked the lowered look but hatted how bouncy it could be on the slowing carbs. I read a lot about KW, MSS and could not really find the answer which setup would be best to have no "bouncing" on carbs etc. Also reading and watching H&R spring setup I see I can get great visual results for half of the KW and MSS costs. But then some say its bouncing and other are saying its most stiff spring so its comfort is not great. So dang Im confused, as for me stiff does not align with being bouncy at the same time What setup I should go to keep original suspension stiffness feel? Thanks ! |
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Look in the suspension section. There are tons of threads discussing every available brand/option, their individual pros and cons, and real world reviews from users. Below are just a few of what you can look at. It will take a while, but reading all the information is the only way to truly understand what is available and how to make a decision or you.
https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=29048601 https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28972374 https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=28712041 https://www.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...php?p=27887231
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Thank you very much. A lot of data on H&R springs and wondering why I could not find any of it with the use of forum search. But now continuing the read, half way through
And ugh… wanted to place it in Suspension section and have no idea why I placed it here… Sorry for mess. |
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I'd say most important factors to consider...are looks or ultimate handling/performance your primary goal? How much are you willing to sacrifice ride quality (i.e. comfort) for peak grip? Are you tracking the car regularly or just daily driving it? How much is ground clearance an issue for you (driveways, speed bumps etc)? How low do you want the car? Depending on how you answer some of those, certain options may be excluded.
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Very valid points. Just laying them out
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Im using the MSS lowering kit on my car, and I'm very happy with the result. The car is much more planted to the ground but not too harsh. Perfect for daily driving.
I will be installing the H&R adjustable kit this week and will be posting my feedback in a week or so
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Yes, everything remains the same. You get the message when you are messing with the suspension, but it goes away right after and never comes back
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Based on what you described, I do recommend MSS. H&R Sport tend to bounce on bad road condition. KW HAS is more for comfort. While MSS is firm and smooth out the stock spring stiffness on rear suspension. All 3 will retain the EDC, so you still be able to adjust the ride stiffness from your M Setup.
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H&R Sport have absolutely zero bounce for me, I honestly couldn't be happier with them. I feel like this bounce information is some random info that came from another platform.
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I've tested it on the canyon, and I don't like how the rear bounce and causing rear tires skip on road imperfection. Not when you are on spirited driving. Regular driving, you won't notice it.
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I haven't noticed that (my car is AWD). Was the car in question RWD or AWD? Maybe AWD handles it better.
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The bounce is coming from the rear, so RWD and AWD will be the same since nothing changed on the rear between RWD and AWD. Quote:
And it was on H&R Sport. I haven't had any experience on H&R VTF in this platform, but I have it on my 991.2 and experienced it on F15 X5 and F85 X5M. There are some flaws, but I managed to fix the 991.2 issue with DSC Sport aftermarket PASM controller. While the F15 X5 and F85 X5M, the car suspension setup just suck because BMW uses old airbag technology on the rear suspension.
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I've been noticing this H&R characteristics since F97 X3M setup. And I was surprised that even G80 M3 setup does the same thing.
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MSS and KW HAS doesn't do it.
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I also love turns and hit it hard if you will. It must take some very specific circumstances/variables to make it happen because I have nothing but confidence driving with these. I mentioned AWD vs RWD because H&R has AWD specific springs which I can only assume mean slightly tweaked spring rates to account for the heavier AWD car weight. Other manufacturers do not have AWD specific springs for this car. Maybe that plays into me not experiencing the same thing. ―\_(ツ)_/―
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