Nordschleife guesstimate thread

frank70 · 03-18-2021, 03:13 PM

Yes, and the Alfa was on Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tires while the M3 was on the normal Pilot Sport 4 tires and not the P-Zero Corsa or Cup2 option....
I was really surprised the M3 beat the Alfa. I was expecting a narrow win for the Alfa with a remark at the end that the Alfa was on track tires and the M3 not....
Both great cars for sure.

jkap27 · 03-18-2021, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by frank70

Yes, and the Alfa was on Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tires while the M3 was on the normal Pilot Sport 4 tires and not the P-Zero Corsa or Cup2 option....
I was really surprised the M3 beat the Alfa. I was expecting a narrow win for the Alfa with a remark at the end that the Alfa was on track tires and the M3 not....
Both great cars for sure.

interesting trend developing in the comparisons to the alfa is all the reviewers stating the M3 has a sportier less supple ride. So maybe the people thinking BMW rounded off the car too much and went all in on a nice daily driver wont be disappointed after all.

lemetier · 03-18-2021, 03:33 PM

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I forgot that and yes I don't know why they changed strategy, from lemetier's comments it is clear that they put down scorching laps for the M5CS and at least ran G8X fast laps in summer/fall last year.

I can't wait to see the numbers. They might simply have a different marketing strategy this time around

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It's changed in the past two days. Sabine's passing has hit us hard. She was an amazing woman, friend, and colleague who deserves a fitting tribute.

zamboni · 03-18-2021, 03:50 PM

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Either you're being facetious or you are the biggest hater on the forum.

Given that you drive a Zamboni I'm guessing the former is true.

Not a fan of the new design just curious is there a reason why BMW publish the Ring time when the car is release?

solstice · 03-18-2021, 03:52 PM

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It's changed in the past two days. Sabine's passing has hit us hard. She was an amazing woman, friend, and colleague who deserves a fitting tribute.

I didn’t know her and never met her but she lit up the screen every time she was featured. What a wonderfully positive person. So sorry for your personal loss.

solstice · 03-18-2021, 09:18 PM

Dusting this is off in hope that we are near. For you who haven’t guessed yet feel free to join. You’ll even have some advantage over the original guessers

lemetier · 03-18-2021, 09:22 PM

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Dusting this is off in hope that we are near. For you who haven't guessed yet feel free to join. You'll even have some advantage over the original guessers

I'm cheating so I'll only go this far 7:2x.0

solstice · 03-18-2021, 09:22 PM

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I'm cheating so I'll only go this far 7:2x.0

Lol.

And thanks, that’s almost as good as the actual time!

lemetier · 03-18-2021, 09:27 PM

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I'm cheating so I'll only go this far 7:2x.0

Lol.

And thanks, that's almost as good as the actual time!

I should add *factory time not mag time. Close to what the F82 GTS did. No where near the F90 CS though.

solstice · 03-18-2021, 09:30 PM

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I should add *factory time not mag time. Close to what the F82 GTS did. No where near the F90 CS though.

Understood, I guessed that much but thanks for clarifying and further narrowing the range while upping the suspense of the M5CS...

CanAutM3 · 03-18-2021, 09:38 PM

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I should add *factory time not mag time. Close to what the F82 GTS did. No where near the F90 CS though.

On PSC2 I assume?

lemetier · 03-18-2021, 09:42 PM

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I should add *factory time not mag time. Close to what the F82 GTS did. No where near the F90 CS though.

Understood, I guessed that much but thanks for clarifying and further narrowing the range while upping the suspense of the M5CS...

F90 CS time has been hinted at by the big man himself. To be the fastest means breaking the current published record, so sub 7:18.3.

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I should add *factory time not mag time. Close to what the F82 GTS did. No where near the F90 CS though.

On PSC2 I assume?

F82 Comp RWD, PSC2. Probably will go PZero Corsa with AWD.

solstice · 03-18-2021, 09:55 PM

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F82 Comp RWD, PSC2

That’s so nice, just for us to match our thread

solstice · 03-18-2021, 09:58 PM

That’s in the area of 25s faster than when the F8X launched in 2014. That got to be close to or a record generation to generation performance launch gap?

solstice · 03-18-2021, 10:06 PM

Member footie’s guess seem to be bullseye even if he wobbled and admitted he actually thought of the AWD but I’ll give him the victory since I kind of lead him down that path unintentionally. Congrats footie!

lemetier · 03-18-2021, 10:14 PM

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That's in the area of 25s faster than when the F8X launched in 2014. That got to be close to or a record generation to generation performance launch gap?

Early F8x were rather twitchy. Later cars had better DME mapping. The jump isn't as massive if F8x CS are used as the comparison.

solstice · 03-18-2021, 10:17 PM

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Early F8x were rather twitchy. Later cars had better DME mapping. The jump isn't as massive if F8x CS are used as the comparison.

Just that it actually and handily beats the CS which was a $100k plus list car is a big achievement. And being a hair away of the GTS with similar power and being much lighter (500 lbs!!!) even more so!

Actually pretty astonishing taken the superior aero and weight of the GTS. It seems impossible. I can’t tell you how impressed I am with what you guys did here with this new car.

bm323 · 03-18-2021, 10:40 PM

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I'm cheating so I'll only go this far 7:2x.0

This is very good

CanAutM3 · 03-18-2021, 11:52 PM

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Just that it actually and handily beats the CS which was a $100k plus list car is a big achievement. And being a hair away of the GTS with similar power and being much lighter (500 lbs!!!) even more so!

Actually pretty astonishing taken the superior aero and weight of the GTS. It seems impossible. I can’t tell you how impressed I am with what you guys did here with this new car.

The GTS isn't that light. The CS and GTS are almost the same weight in stock trim. AMS test GTS with bucket seats and cage weighed 1,601kg while their test CS weighed 1,600kg.

If the G8X pulls a 7:28~7:29, it will indeed be quite impressive. That would be 6~7s faster than the M4cs factory time.

Transfer · 03-19-2021, 12:29 AM

Same as M5.

solstice · 03-19-2021, 01:35 AM

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Same as M5.

And we haven’t even seen the AWD time yet

See ya big brother...no stop it I didn’t mean you CS.

solstice · 03-19-2021, 01:59 AM

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The GTS isn't that light. The CS and GTS are almost the same weight in stock trim. AMS test GTS with bucket seats and cage weighed 1,601kg while their test CS weighed 1,600kg.

If the G8X pulls a 7:28~7:29, it will indeed be quite impressive. That would be 6~7s faster than the M4cs factory time.

That damn DIN got me...it’s about 300 lbs it’s seems ~3550 vs 3850. That’s why it looked impossible

So the GTS is 300 lbs lighter with 3hp more and was priced at what $130k? That the G8X can keep up with that having four seats ,much less aero and have a quite comfortable ride is a down right astonishing achievement. Finishing 6s ahead of the CS is pretty damn impressive as well. Nevermind the none special models...Not to mention keeping up with the AWD 600+ hp M5C.

What a car.

Btw Porsche’s own 992 C2S time is 7:25. So 3-4s faster than the G82, in range for the AWD? Anyhow lucky you got the TT, you are safe

03-18-2021, 03:13 PM	#45
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solstice Major General 5458 Rep 7,037 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2013 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	That’s in the area of 25s faster than when the F8X launched in 2014. That got to be close to or a record generation to generation performance launch gap?
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solstice Major General 5458 Rep 7,037 Posts Drives: 2015 M3 6MT Join Date: May 2013 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	Member footie’s guess seem to be bullseye even if he wobbled and admitted he actually thought of the AWD but I’ll give him the victory since I kind of lead him down that path unintentionally. Congrats footie!
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