[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

He said it, he actually said it, he actually called it a "small m5."

That statement has something for both sides. Those that believe the G8x is more M5 than M3 will have their confirmation bias satisfied. However the word "small" is the inverse of big so people on the other side of the fence can take solace that the G8x is a smaller version of a very good car. The world is a better place when we are all happy.

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by bm323

Whoa, the fanbois are out once anything smelling negative is in the air, they rush in like hyenas ... presumptuous too. First, who is "hanging" on this one video? (I have given the thumbs up to videos that are complimentary of the G8X). Secondly, who is placing too much weight on another's opinion? Lastly, posters who comment on videos will not test drive the G8X - what logic is that?

Relax, fanbois. This is a forum for discussion and to give views.

This guy deserves a pause from posting on the G80 thread.

[xlover]

Originally Posted by Remonster

If you've spent a lot of time driving the F87 M2 and F90 M5, I think you'll strongly favor one or the other depending on your preferences and priorities. I am a huge fan of both cars in all their forms (except M5 CS, I haven't ever been in one yet so I don't have an opinion yet) but they drive very differently. I doubt anybody could drive an M2 and an M5 and have a hard time chosing one over the other because they are so different, each of us would strongly prefer one or the other I would imagine.

If an M3/M4 is a "larger M2" then it's very nimble and agile, fun to slide around, a little harsh on shitty roads.

If it's a "smaller M5" then it's very smooth and comfortable but its cornering responses are a little dull and delayed, hugely powerful in a straight line but a little less exciting to throw into corners and ride the limits of grip.

you kinda missed the point I was making.... the M3 is in between both of those cars. it is neither going to be as nimble and agile as an M2 nor as smooth and comfortable as an M5.... it is going to sit in between so it will always be BOTH a smaller M5 and a larger M2. It will embody characteristics of both somewhere in the middle of those vehicles, but never be one or the other...

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by bm323

Whoa, the fanbois are out once anything smelling negative is in the air, they rush in like hyenas ... presumptuous too. First, who is "hanging" on this one video? (I have given the thumbs up to videos that are complimentary of the G8X). Secondly, who is placing too much weight on another's opinion? Lastly, posters who comment on videos will not test drive the G8X - what logic is that?

Relax, fanbois. This is a forum for discussion and to give views.

Haha!! what do you expect? it's a BMW forum where you'll find fanboys of BMW. Go to any other forum for cars and it's the same. Did you forget to read the sign on the door? This isn't an invasion...

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by Remonster

If you've spent a lot of time driving the F87 M2 and F90 M5, I think you'll strongly favor one or the other depending on your preferences and priorities. I am a huge fan of both cars in all their forms (except M5 CS, I haven't ever been in one yet so I don't have an opinion yet) but they drive very differently. I doubt anybody could drive an M2 and an M5 and have a hard time chosing one over the other because they are so different, each of us would strongly prefer one or the other I would imagine.

If an M3/M4 is a "larger M2" then it's very nimble and agile, fun to slide around, a little harsh on shitty roads.

If it's a "smaller M5" then it's very smooth and comfortable but its cornering responses are a little dull and delayed, hugely powerful in a straight line but a little less exciting to throw into corners and ride the limits of grip.

Agree! And if it's right in-between, then it is what I expect from an M3!

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by xlover

I don't understand this debate, some say the M3 feels like a smaller M5 but some others say it feels like a bigger M2
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Where did you hear that it feels like a bigger M2? Just about every review I've seen mention that it feels like a smaller M5.

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Where did you hear that it feels like a bigger M2? Just about every review I've seen mention that it feels like a smaller M5.

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[brava09]

M5 is a great car, and a mini version of it is even better

[EXE46]

Let's not jump to any conclusion folks because "M5" is rather ambiguous. When I hear M5 I think E39 M5. Never really cared for the others that followed, E60 was memorable because V10 but never got me excited like the E39 M5 and to this day I get warm and fuzzy when I see one.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

Do you take that to be good or bad? In between? I'm confused by it.

Either way, it sounds like an excellent chassis!

We all predicted it would happen is my point lol. Someone was gonna say it. I'm good man, I'm of course not thrilled with the weight and size gain but I'm thrilled with the 6MT and the initial reviews.

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

That statement has something for both sides. Those that believe the G8x is more M5 than M3 will have their confirmation bias satisfied. However the word "small" is the inverse of big so people on the other side of the fence can take solace that the G8x is a smaller version of a very good car. The world is a better place when we are all happy.

Well said.

[spuntyb]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

We all predicted it would happen is my point lol. Someone was gonna say it. I'm good man, I'm of course not thrilled with the weight and size gain but I'm thrilled with the 6MT and the initial reviews.

It will be awesome I'm sure!

[ThugzZ BunnY]

This forum is the male equivalent of watching the Kardashians lol

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by spuntyb

It will be awesome I'm sure!

I have never looked forward to a car as much as this one. It's gonna look like nothing else and stand out in all the right ways.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

He said it, he actually said it, he actually called it a "small m5."

The M5 is clearly the most epic machine I drove since ever. Never I drove one that has such a broad width of abilities, rendering everything so damn easy. Of course the M4c was more fun, since more a handful, but significantly less effective (like he said in the vid: "it wants to kill you")

Hmmm... is it a blessing or a curse? Depends on preference. I could certainly live with a smaller M5.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Perhaps read what you posted and what the reply was? Your exact words were that the review was a negative for you because the video mentioned the M3/M4 was a smaller M5 multiple times. Fine. All I said was other reviews said the complete opposite so you shouldn't base your opinion completely on this one review unless you already made up your mind on the M3/M4 in which case you'll take any opinion that reinforces your feelings.

Like the car, hate the car. Buy the car, don't buy the car. Why do I care? I already stated that I'm not trying to persuade you. But if you or anyone is a real prospective buyer, you and anyone else should just go test drive the car yourself and form your own opinion instead of listening to reviews which all have conflicting opinions.

Not sure how any of that is a display of fanboyism.

By that logic Car and Drive, road and track, and every other review magazine, video, and website would make zero dollars on ads bc no one reads them.

Reviews help people refine their interests ahead of viewing a car (or if they see a real red flag they skip it all together). Its information even if it isn't the gold standard of a test drive, which I think we all recommend. Strangely we live in a world in which some small percentage of people buy cars without ever sitting in them (carvana etc), though I wouldn't recommend that nor can I really fathom it. That percentage seems to be growing and growing.

[gemini.m3]

A smaller m5 just means its not the "m3" the hardcore enthusiasts grew up on (e36, e46, e92) - the f80 already started the deviation from it with its increasing size and the fact that the m3 was now was a 4 door sedan while the coupe was renamed to the m4.

a smaller m5 is not a bad thing if what you want is a grand touring car with track capabilities. The m5 while a great car on its own right its not something I would envision driving, I want something a little more raw for my "fun" cars, so when reviewers say the g80 m3 is more like a baby m5 it adds to the idea that its not as raw as its predecessors.

ive had alot of fun watching all the reviews - its a good car with a monster of an engine. For me, if I wanted a 1/4 mile, highway beast that will easily be a 10 sec car with some minor modifications and tune - the g80 m3/m4 is the best thing you can buy for that price range. I just don't like the idea of having to go so fast and breaking so many laws to have a little bit of fun, so a smaller car fits the bill. That said, I most definitely envy all the fancy tech and incredible interior the g80 possesses. I can't wait to see what the LCI looks like and what these cars are going to look like tastefully modded on the streets. The grill is fine by me at this point!

[440xiGCMSport2]

In my opinion the current G series car knocked it out of the park in driving dynamics etc. but the F series still has the better styling. Choose your poison. If you like the G series styling than you hit the jackpot.

[Ikester19]

Originally Posted by 440xiGCMSport2

In my opinion the current G series car knocked it out of the park in driving dynamics etc. but the F series still has the better styling. Choose your poison. If you like the G series styling than you hit the jackpot.

Agree. I think BMW exterior design peaked at the F series in terms of M cars

[cfm56d7b]

This and similar videos will generate a broad spectrum of opinions. The larger question: is the new G80 worth buying? Absolutely.

[Casone238]

I believe the comparison was made about the small M5 due to the gearbox. If he had the manual or if it was a dct I don't think he would of thought that. Depending on what your priorities are the smaller M5 is not negative comparison. Especially if it's going to be a daily which I'll welcome a more predictable M3/4 especially is the only complaint is that the shifts don't feel like your getting donkey kicked

[jmg]

Originally Posted by jkap27

I think the anti g8x crowd is kind of running out of material with all the good reviews coming out. Still a completely valid opinion obviously that they don't like the car and it isn't for them but now that it's released and there's reviews for it what else can you really say...the whole speculation part is mostly over. The pro g80 crowd is all collecting their cars and talking about features and setups and tunes and whatnot now

Why are there two crowds? Don't we all just want a good car that fits our needs? If we disagree on the car that just means we have different needs.