[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

Oh c'mon of all the f***ing things to complain about! lol.

Hey, I'm just beating them all to the punch. If I see one more post about wheel gap I'm going to blow my brains out. Lol!

There was even a post about body roll and the car not being on the apex..........on a brochure edited photo. I mean, where does it end?

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Hey, I'm just beating them all to the punch. If I see one more post about wheel gap I'm going to blow my brains out. Lol!

There was even a post about body roll and the car not being on the apex..........on a brochure edited photo. I mean, where does it end?

I didn't mean you my friend. I meant the guy complaining about the shift paddles. I am agreeing.

[Teutonic]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

You "raced" your vehicle with the oem seats ?
I dont think so.
You maybe did a fun trackday but you certainly didnt race anything.
For one thing you cant fit a harness to the oem seat & you aren't competing anywhere in anything without a harness etc.

Yes, I did race them on the track not on the Championship like in the past. When we say racing in here we all know that we are saying amateur fun day.it is not a racing forum, right?

Even so, those seats doesn’t mean that the newM3 is homologated for racing. It is still a amateurish vehicle; having seats that accept harness doen’t mean is ready for race.

So, no didnt race them on tarmac like I used to (Focus, R5, Clio, etc.) when I did racing, and neither your guys in here will race the new M3 on an official race as there is more than just a seat that can accept the harness.

So, we need to narrow it down to the letter? Like, what’s your point since that seat or that seat doesn’t mean “racing” anyway...?

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

....but most here are assuming the seats aren't comfortable simply because of the description (...and having no real world experience with them). They may very well be comfortable for extended duration drives.

You're right, it's all conjecture until someone actually sits in one and gives us a real time butt feedback but just looking at them and making an educated guess, these carbon buckets certainly doesn't appear to be comfortable, especially for long distance driving.

That's the trade off with any bucket seats; lighter weight and better aesthetic in exchange for less comfort. Its a simple concept, I'm not sure why the debate, unless a lot of folks are in just wallowing in denial..

[arunym]

Originally Posted by snareman

I'm plenty in shape. I just don't want the hassle. Comfort over form in this case.

Youre probably also an automatic driver. To each their own for sure. However, why do people get manual cars when they're more of a "hassle"? its for fun, not convenience. Get these seats, they're fun. If youre looking for slow luxury, i think this may be the wrong car...just my opinion. Also, i wonder how many people are shying away because of price only, that would be an interesting insight. What if they were $0 cost, would the non-takers change their mind?

[Jcali86]

Originally Posted by arunym

Youre probably also an automatic driver. To each their own for sure. However, why do people get manual cars when they're more of a "hassle"? its for fun, not convenience. Get these seats, they're fun. If youre looking for slow luxury, i think this may be the wrong car...just my opinion. Also, i wonder how many people are shying away because of price only, that would be an interesting insight. What if they were $0 cost, would the non-takers change their mind?

If they were standard and I had to pay for the non bucket seats I would.
I want fast luxury that can be fun on my own, go on road trips with or to the grocery store, handle the snow in Tahoe and even allow me to hit some casual track days if I feel like it, so it's the perfect car without the buckets for me. The standard seats felt just fine, though I didn't drive it, but I did sit in both. I can't see them reducing the fun at all for what I need; but I can see them ruining the comfort.

[dr_frankfurter]

Friendly reminder that driving a manual doesn't make you superior. Picking carbon buckets also doesn't make you a race car driver. Some people prefer to have more comfort in a daily, especially if it's going to be an M car. Come spend half an hour on any given freeway here in LA and you'll understand what I mean. Good luck with the impatient asshats that'll violently come around and cut you off while you're trying to roll forward. I've commuted in manuals here and while its not exactly impossible, it's not something I'd want to deal with again 5 days out of the week.

[safridi]

I wonder if ill be the first over weight person to regret this decision ive made and how horrible my daily driving has become in my brand new manual g80. .....my build just started

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by Poochie

You're right, it's all conjecture until someone actually sits in one and gives us a real time butt feedback but just looking at them and making an educated guess, these carbon buckets certainly doesn't appear to be comfortable, especially for long distance driving.

That's the trade off with any bucket seats; lighter weight and better aesthetic in exchange for less comfort. Its a simple concept, I'm not sure why the debate, unless a lot of folks are in just wallowing in denial..

I sat in them for an hour and a half ride, believe me, they weren't comfortable for me at all.

Forum members, hear me! Stop reading this thread. Go to nearest BMW dealer. Sit in one. This is the way.

If they do fit you, they are very nice to behold and you should consider them.

[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Yes, I did race them on the track not on the Championship like in the past. When we say racing in here we all know that we are saying amateur fun day.it is not a racing forum, right?

Even so, those seats doesn't mean that the newM3 is homologated for racing. It is still a amateurish vehicle; having seats that accept harness doen't mean is ready for race.

So, no didnt race them on tarmac like I used to (Focus, R5, Clio, etc.) when I did racing, and neither your guys in here will race the new M3 on an official race as there is more than just a seat that can accept the harness.

So, we need to narrow it down to the letter? Like, what's your point since that seat or that seat doesn't mean "racing" anyway...?

Ok so your answer is NO you didnt race anything as you stated, you drove on track in a track day as i suspected (big difference). Btw some of us do actually compete in motorsport so you probably shouldn't assume that when you state your 'racing' everyone equates that to going on a track day. Thanks for clearing that up.

[e46e92love]

Would love to know how an ///M gets the same shift paddles as a series production vehicle unless you choose a certain option. Cost cutting and nickel and dimming at its finest.

Cheers,
e46e92

[dms-01]

Who would have thought a pissing contest over the seats of all things.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by ProdigyM2

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who expressed concerns over the paddles. Quite a weird move on BMW's hand but I guess it just takes getting used to.

I imagine that the paddle distance is very similar to that on my f36 4 series, and I agree it is a stretch - have always coveted the F80 version. But I've gotten used to it

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dr_frankfurter

Friendly reminder that driving a manual doesn't make you superior. Picking carbon buckets also doesn't make you a race car driver. Some people prefer to have more comfort in a daily, especially if it's going to be an M car. Come spend half an hour on any given freeway here in LA and you'll understand what I mean. Good luck with the impatient asshats that'll violently come around and cut you off while you're trying to roll forward. I've commuted in manuals here and while its not exactly impossible, it's not something I'd want to deal with again 5 days out of the week.

I drive the LA freeways in a manual every day. Always have....and every M Car I've ever owned has been a manual. Even my lil' 2021 Toyota Corolla SE commuter car is a manual. You dudes need stronger legs. I always laugh a little at the, "I drive in traffic, so no manual for me" comments, especially considering in Europe people drive MT's in traffic every day; we never hear them complain. That doesn't sound like an enthusiast view of things personally (...but those same people will inconvenience themselves by dropping the car and adding front lips that require a totally different approach to navigating a city street or driveway). The MT/traffic comments just have an aura of laziness to them. I'm mostly poking. Don't bite me!

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Who would have thought a pissing contest over the seats of all things.

It's the forum nature.......and this isn't the first time. We had a seat pissing match over the ZCP seats just a few years ago. Oh, and let's not forget the pissing matches over HID vs. LED lights.

[MachinesWithSouls]

Originally Posted by dms-01

Who would have thought a pissing contest over the seats of all things.

Tomorrow's thread: "Best G80 color"

Just option it how you like

[dr_frankfurter]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I drive the LA freeways in a manual every day. Always have....and every M Car I've ever owned has been a manual. Even my lil' 2021 Toyota Corolla SE commuter car is a manual. You dudes need stronger legs. I always laugh a little at the, "I drive in traffic, so no manual for me" comments, especially considering in Europe people drive MT's in traffic every day; we never hear them complain. That doesn't sound like an enthusiast view of things personally (...but those same people will inconvenience themselves by dropping the car and adding front lips that require a totally different approach to navigating a city street or driveway). The MT/traffic comments just have an aura of laziness to them. I'm mostly poking. Don't bite me!

That's totally fair. Again, to each their own, I just personally despise driving manual in traffic here. Like you said, it's not a problem, just a matter of preference and calf size . I don't have the patience for it at all, and would just prefer to be lazy on the drive to and from wherever I'm going. I would rather live with a comfy auto as a daily and hop into a manual whenever I get the chance to hit some canyons. Same concept applies for the seats; they gave us two options for a reason. Nobody is better or worse for picking one over the other. No hard feelings here!

[dr_frankfurter]

Originally Posted by MachinesWithSouls

Tomorrow's thread: "Best G80 color"

Just option it how you like

Funny enough someone started that thread already. Can't wait to see how that goes

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by dr_frankfurter

That's totally fair. Again, to each their own, I just personally despise driving manual in traffic here. Like you said, it's not a problem, just a matter of preference and calf size . I don't have the patience for it at all, and would just prefer to be lazy on the drive to and from wherever I'm going. I would rather live with a comfy auto as a daily and hop into a manual whenever I get the chance to hit some canyons. Same concept applies for the seats; they gave us two options for a reason. Nobody is better or worse for picking one over the other. No hard feelings here!

You're totally right. I applaud that BMW is even giving us menu options to mull over that don't break the bank. While I feel Porsche gives too many menu options (...and charges for a glass of tap water), BMW still offers some value meal propositions that are palatable.

#firstworldenthusiastproblems

[dr_frankfurter]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

You're totally right. I applaud that BMW is even giving us menu options to mull over that don't break the bank. While I feel Porsche gives too many menu options (...and charges for a glass of tap water), BMW still offers some value meal propositions that are palatable.

#firstworldenthusiastproblems

That's Porsche Dynamic Filtered Water to you. These really are very nice problems to have

[Salespunk]

Sat in the carbon buckets today. Was excited to try them and have driven my other car with pretty aggressive seats cross country about six months ago so no stranger to these setups. Figured they would add a cool touch especially since this will not be my full time daily.

They were absolutely a no go for me for several reasons. First they pinched at my hips bad. I am 5'10"/190 lbs and there is no way I would want to be in them for longer than 20 minutes because of this. Second the carbon bump in the middle was noticeable, but not quite as annoying in my 5 minutes sitting in it. There were a few other things I wasn't stoked on like the height of the dash/wheel making me want to run the seat higher, but then having to duck under the roofline to get out.

They are absolutely beautifully constructed, add backseat room and are incredibly functional. If you fit, I would highly recommend them, they are just not for me.

[TheProdigy]

Originally Posted by dr_frankfurter

That's totally fair. Again, to each their own, I just personally despise driving manual in traffic here. Like you said, it's not a problem, just a matter of preference and calf size . I don't have the patience for it at all, and would just prefer to be lazy on the drive to and from wherever I'm going. I would rather live with a comfy auto as a daily and hop into a manual whenever I get the chance to hit some canyons. Same concept applies for the seats; they gave us two options for a reason. Nobody is better or worse for picking one over the other. No hard feelings here!

I did 405 traffic at 5pm in my 6mt m2 for a year, it's not amazing but it's not as bad as everyone makes driving a stick in traffic out to be.