[ROBERT1183]

I ordered a set of the 15mm just incase. I will see if I have any more adjustment left when I bring it in for the alignment. If im maxed out I will put the spacers in. The rear settled a bit more than my front did.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by par__m3

This is my ride height with the rear at one thread below max height.



I ordered a pair of the 15mm spacers with the goal of raising it 5-8mm. With my new wheels (20x11 +12, 295 tire) I have a slight rub at full compression. Hoping this resolves that and events out the front/rear height a little more.

If I did not rub I probably would leave it alone.

Beautiful car.

Its a shame the KW HAS kit is so limited on the rear height. I emailed both the US and Germany office. The US office pretty much blew me off. Telling me they have sold 270 kits and no one has said anything about the rear being too limited on height. I also emailed the Germany HQ and showed them this thread.They were much more responsive. They said they would talk to the product engineers immediately. They must be able to see an increase in spacer sales. So hopefully they do something because at max height that is just too low for me.

If more people sent KW an email about this, they might do something for us. Who knows. But the more people that mention this, the better or chances of a revision. The spacer is a quick fix, but it will change the rear preload.

[jmg]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Beautiful car.

Its a shame the KW HAS kit is so limited on the rear height. I emailed both the US and Germany office. The US office pretty much blew me off. Telling me they have sold 270 kits and no one has said anything about the rear being too limited on height. I also emailed the Germany HQ and showed them this thread.They were much more responsive. They said they would talk to the product engineers immediately. They must be able to see an increase in spacer sales. So hopefully they do something because at max height that is just too low for me.

If more people sent KW an email about this, they might do something for us. Who knows. But the more people that mention this, the better or chances of a revision. The spacer is a quick fix, but it will change the rear preload.

Will change preload? I'm under the impression static compression is the same with or without the spacer. Usually it's compressing the suspension to get lower that affects preload. Maybe I'm wrong?

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by jmg

Will change preload? I'm under the impression static compression is the same with or without the spacer. Usually it's compressing the suspension to get lower that affects preload. Maybe I'm wrong?

I could be wrong... But it was my understanding that a spacer in between the spring and top or bottom mount does change preload.

FISH22's pic appear to show the spacer between the spring and the adjustable collar.


I think a spacer outside of the strut assembly (between the body and top hat/mount does not change preload.

Again, I could be wrong. But that's how I believe spacers work. We should ask KW about this to confirm.

[BIGW0RM]

UPDATE:

I spoke to KW Germany about the rear height and showed them this thread. They unfortuniatly do not have a larger spring at this time. I asked them to confirm if the spacer changes the preload and this was his answer...

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

Im am curious to see what no spacer max height is. And Id be interested to see what range you can get with the spacer.

[FISH22]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

UPDATE:

I spoke to KW Germany about the rear height and showed them this thread. They unfortuniatly do not have a larger spring at this time. I asked them to confirm if the spacer changes the preload and this was his answer...

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

Im am curious to see what no spacer max height is. And Id be interested to see what range you can get with the spacer.

Thanks for sharing this! Interesting feedback from them. I'll try to take some measurements this week and see where I'm at.

Even with the spacers, I've noticed some settling in the rear, maybe a few mm's.

[FISH22]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I could be wrong... But it was my understanding that a spacer in between the spring and top or bottom mount does change preload.

FISH22's pic appear to show the spacer between the spring and the adjustable collar.


I think a spacer outside of the strut assembly (between the body and top hat/mount does not change preload.

Again, I could be wrong. But that's how I believe spacers work. We should ask KW about this to confirm.

You're spot on. No matter where the spacer is (it can only be installed between the spring and perch), it would theoretically have the same impact on preload, if there is any.

[Murse85]

I know there is a picture posted with the spring spacers here but can anyone post more
Pics from different angles please. Just installed my kw’s and hate the rears. I just ordered both 15 and 30 mm spacers and wondering if even 15 mm are too low. Considering doing 30’s and use the extra threads to adjust it. I feel like 20 mm spacers will be perfect.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

I know there is a picture posted with the spring spacers here but can anyone post more
Pics from different angles please. Just installed my kw’s and hate the rears. I just ordered both 15 and 30 mm spacers and wondering if even 15 mm are too low. Considering doing 30’s and use the extra threads to adjust it. I feel like 20 mm spacers will be perfect.

Lets see how yours looks too.

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

UPDATE:

I spoke to KW Germany about the rear height and showed them this thread. They unfortuniatly do not have a larger spring at this time. I asked them to confirm if the spacer changes the preload and this was his answer...

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

Im am curious to see what no spacer max height is. And Id be interested to see what range you can get with the spacer.

I just spoke to kw north america and the tech told me the spring spacers are not for the has kit and it will void the warranty. I am hoping what kw germany said is correct. I purchased these spacers and planning on installing them soon.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

I just spoke to kw north america and the tech told me the spring spacers are not for the has kit and it will void the warranty. I am hoping what kw germany said is correct. I purchased these spacers and planning on installing them soon.

Oh god. KW NA sucks. They where not helpful to me at all. At least Joseph McClain wasn't... I ended up speaking with Nilis at KW Germany and he made no mention of the spacer voiding any warranty but he was receptive and helpful. Then again, I didn't ask about warranty. I will PM you his direct email address.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

I just spoke to kw north america and the tech told me the spring spacers are not for the has kit and it will void the warranty. I am hoping what kw germany said is correct. I purchased these spacers and planning on installing them soon.

Curious... are you full max height? If so does you car measure within these specs Nilis at KW germany said they should be within?

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Oh god. KW NA sucks. They where not helpful to me at all. At least Joseph McClain wasn't... I ended up speaking with Nilis at KW Germany and he made no mention of the spacer voiding any warranty but he was receptive and helpful. Then again, I didn't ask about warranty. I will PM you his direct email address.

Yea they were really not helpful over the phone. I am in contact with Joseph via email only and just asked him about the warranty issue. Waiting for a response from him. Btw I just got your message. I will keep you posted.
Thanks

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Curious... are you full max height? If so does you car measure within these specs Nilis at KW germany said they should be within?

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

Mid of wheel meaning where the bmw cap is?

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Curious... are you full max height? If so does you car measure within these specs Nilis at KW germany said they should be within?

"As long as the car is in range between mid of wheel – edge of fender of 339-354mm, then you are able to use this spacer without problems."

Im at 14 inches = 355 mm. But I could be off a couple MM since I measured in inches. But yea I'm at full max height. Maybe one thread off.

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

Im at 14 inches = 355 mm. But I could be off a couple MM since I measured in inches. But yea I'm at full max height. Maybe one thread off.

Interesting... So you are at the max of the height KW suggest. Adding a spacer would put you above 355. I was expecting you to be well below those numbers.


My stock x drive is 15" from hub to fender. So you got a 1" drop at the max setting.

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Interesting... So you are at the max of the height KW suggest. Adding a spacer would put you above 355. I was expecting you to be well below those numbers.


My stock x drive is 15" from hub to fender. So you got a 1" drop at the max setting.

So you were expecting me to be lower at the max height? At my current setting adding spacers will be perfect which will be at least half an inch higher, which will make it flush. So am I at the recommended height to use the spacers?

Are you lower than 14 inches right now?

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

So you were expecting me to be lower at the max height? At my current setting adding spacers will be perfect which will be at least half an inch higher, which will make it flush. So am I at the recommended height to use the spacers?

Are you lower than 14 inches right now?

I was. Based on photos, most KW HAS drops look level if not tucked. It just doesn't look right to me. But my car is stock and my rears are 15".

So this means you are forced to a 1" drop at the minimum. 1" down from my 15" gap puts my fenders at a smidge less than 1 finger gap which is what I see all over picture wise. This is NOTHING close to what KW advertises. They say you get 0.2" to 1.0" rear drop. Yet at full height we are seeing a 1" drop? Something is not right IMO.

That's a bummer we can drop the rear 1/2 or 3/4th an inch. You get 1" or more only with no spacer.

It will be interesting to see what range we get with the spacer. Im going to email Nils at KW germany and ask about this 0.2 to 1.0" range they state the kit offers. Because it seems its only 1" or more.

[Murse85]

pic

[Murse85]

pics are an illusion. If you see it from a distance it looks like you have a gap. But it is actually tucking.

[Murse85]

Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

I was. Based on photos, most KW HAS drops look level if not tucked. It just doesn't look right to me. But my car is stock and my rears are 15".

So this means you are forced to a 1" drop at the minimum. 1" down from my 15" gap puts my fenders at a smidge less than 1 finger gap which is what I see all over picture wise. This is NOTHING close to what KW advertises. They say you get 0.2" to 1.0" rear drop. Yet at full height we are seeing a 1" drop? Something is not right IMO.

That's a bummer we can drop the rear 1/2 or 3/4th an inch. You get 1" or more only with no spacer.

It will be interesting to see what range we get with the spacer. Im going to email Nils at KW germany and ask about this 0.2 to 1.0" range they state the kit offers. Because it seems its only 1" or more.

Right! Forced 1 inch drop. I uploaded some pics to show you that it does look like there is a gap from a distance. It also looks like how every else's look too. But if you go close it shows that it is tucked. I am not running any spacers so it probably looks even more tucked. But yea KW's advertisement is misleading and false. KW NA wants a mechanical form filled out before they even answer or do anything. such a pain

[BIGW0RM]

Originally Posted by Murse85

Right! Forced 1 inch drop. I uploaded some pics to show you that it does look like there is a gap from a distance. It also looks like how every else's look too. But if you go close it shows that it is tucked. I am not running any spacers so it probably looks even more tucked. But yea KW's advertisement is misleading and false. KW NA wants a mechanical form filled out before they even answer or do anything. such a pain

Yeah that looks to be exactly what you get with the KW at full height. And KW NA pulled that crap on me too. What more do they need than at full height its tucking? I suspect even if they got that data, they would turn to germany for an answer. I would just email nils at KW germany about this. He was much more helpful and said he would forward my concerns to the product development team.