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A lot of people need to work on their reading comprehension. These LISTS aren't articles or comparisons they're literally an alphabetical ranking of the highest rated cars. The cars are rated for a variety of factors, which you can read about here: https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...-we-test-cars/
There is def a subjective component to the ranking as well, but the F80 and G80 have done poorly in them from almost every reviewer. Most takes I've seen sound something like "Not as great as it used to be, but delivers supercar numbers". It shouldn't be so shocking that a car that is half the price and twice as efficient but delivers 80% of the performance and maybe even better engagement might be ranked a smidge higher than the M3. It also shouldn't be surprising that a fast Honda may not be on anyone's "Mount Rushmore" of cars, but that the M3 is on most peoples', which is why we're all here obsessing over the latest 2 thousand dollar intakes that add 3 HP or Carbon Fiber spoiler. Like others have said, if you like it, what else matters? I've been waiting to get my M3 since the E46 was unveiled, and mine is finally getting built this week. I don't care if they wrote an article saying "Avoid this car at all costs", when I pick up the car it's going to be a very emotional moment. |
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You missed my point, over the years the M3 has gotten heavier. So have the other M cars... |
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The Mustang hasn't? Has the Miata? You've literally just described every car ever. |
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You seem upset that C&D says that the Civic is a "better" drivers car. If you can't handle criticism about your car, then IDK. I like my m3cx, it's fantastic but there are more fun cars out there that have significantly less HP. |
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03-04-2024, 05:57 PM | #53 | |
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checking in here. I actually have both cars, and both were somewhat "free" to me - I had a spectacular year on stocks which paid for both cars. That said, on paper the M3 is clearly better on paper, but the R has something magical when you drive it hard. It brings me memories of when I first got my E46 M3. Maybe its a weight thing, or the sublime gearbox, and perfect steering feel. I don't feel either car is superior because at this point in my driving career, I don't care for stats, but rather how a car drives and how connected I am to the road and how it feels to ME (again, my E46 had IT). There area quite a few GT3 owners who have their pick of what to pair with the GT3 for DD duties, and a lot of them choose the R for a good reason. With all that said, I enjoy both cars, and i'm blessed to have both and a few more other cars. |
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I had a new FK8 for 2+ years. Great car. Very few people would say the CTR is ‘better’ than a M3. Different cars. Different missions. I wouldn’t consider them as competitors. |
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03-05-2024, 10:07 AM | #55 | |
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Also, who didn't have an amazing year on stocks in the last 1.5 years? Only perma-bears and short-sellers. Nobody here needs to explain how they bought their cars - we don't care. I'm sure we get the spectrum here of those who can barely scrape by to lease and others who buy all their cars cash, not even from capital gains but from un-earned passive income. |
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To see if a car is 'better' for me from a performance perspective, I find that the SCCA solo, ProSolo or time trial results are the most reliable, in stock classes of course.
For example, in 2023 Solo Nationals Finals, there weren't any M3s in Super Street and that class has been dominated by Porsches for several years now. However, in B street, you see the two Civic Type R finishing 6th and 7th 1.6 secs behind first place 2021 Supra, and 1.2 secs behind second place 2023 Corrola GR on the same Bridgestone RE71RS tires. A 2021 M2C finished 9th 2.1 secs behind the Supra and 0.6 secs behind Civics on the same tires. https://cdn.connectsites.net/user_fi...pdf?1695755415 Also, another source is the time trial results. Again, during the Nationals finals, a street class 2021 Civic Type R finished 19 secs behind a unlimited class 2021 M3, which is not apples to apples, but still gives a data point. https://timetrials.scca.com/events/2...ssions/overall It is fun to read magazine reviews and track times, etc., but I think the amateur racing results are better indicators.
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They were, but have not been since the F generation. That is how we got here in the first place. Most car reviews give the Best "Drivers" Sports Sedan spot to either the Caddy Blackwing Twins or the Alfa Romeo Giulia. Both have better steering feel and supposedly more bandwidth in their ride and handling balance.
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I quit this rag after Brock Yates tenure.
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FWD Acura 4 cyl wins best sports sedan over at C&D.
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