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I know BMW claims that transmission & clutch aren't rated for over 406ft-lbs but all I know is I was pushing nearly 550ft-lbs through plenty of launches, burnouts, several autocross class wins, and they held up without complaint. I agree with a lot of the rest of your post. |
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The new M G8x is indeed a bit of a disappointment.
1/ they didn't have the cash to invest in lightweight like they did on the F8x and low weight is priority number 1. 2/ by consequence the extra power is only very mildly translated to extra performance, 3/ also, the fuel consumption and CO² emissions are +10% up (because of this, registration tax sky rockets in many countries) 4/ the torque limit on the MT will provide the G with a less favorable weight/torque ratio making it actually feel slower. 5/ this is subjective: this is looking like the equivalent of the Honda Type R in the hot hatch segment. Drag queen makeup from every angle you look at it. |
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1. Every generation have added at least 200 lbs except F8X
2. Every generation has added 50-100 hp except F8X. The G8X is the norm not the F8X. The M division got handed an engine (N55) for the F8X with not enough headroom and had to focus on weight not to end up with a disappointment. With the G8X things are back to normal, stop acting like it’s this abnormal biggest disappointment in history. |
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Most E30 M3's weighed like 2950lbs with full fuel/driver.
E36 M3's weighed like 3200lbs with full fuel/driver. Not exactly 500lbs. Let's use some owner weighed numbers to give reference to the weight gains (I did forum searches for each of these weights with 160lb driver and full gas) E30 M3: 2950lbs E36 M3: 3200lbs E46 M3: 3450lbs E92 M3: 3740lbs F82 M3: 3750lbs G82 M3: 4,102lbs (BMW Published numbers with Comp & RWD **Not AWD even...** + 160lb driver) G82 M3 AWD: 4,302lbs (This is a guess, but no way AWD doesn't at least add 200lbs) I feel like the weight gains (pre G8X) made sense given these are ///M models dating back almost 30 years. But to gain 450-500lbs with ONLY a RWD model (not AWD weight even, lord have mercy on us all lmao) Last edited by GhostyM; 09-25-2020 at 10:48 PM.. |
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Numbers are tricky to compare though as we know, they depend on your market, your options, your model year etc.
More important is how the car carry the weight, how it can be felt. The E30 to E36 was very noticeable, more so than any other generational change. For the G8X we don’t know how an equally equipped F8X feel or what the scales will show. Maybe it’s not even noticeable and maybe it is. At minimum way too early to judge as harshly as being done in this thread IMO. And as one of the mods commented, the G8X does have at least one unique factory options to lower the weight in the CF bucket seats. |
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M3/M4 is a pig 3890 and awd will be 4100 lbs So the m4 awd will weigh 500 lbs more than a 992 Turbo S and 613 lbs more than the 992 4s Point is the weight gain for this gen is outrageous
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Of course, some will spec their cars differently but it was all real customer numbers. This new M3/M4 will tip the scales at 4300lbs given what they have shown us with a driver, full gas, competition package and AWD (which they haven't shown us the weight for yet). I don't know about you, but an M8 Comp weighs 4250lbs (my current car) and I'll tell you something, it FEELS like it weighs 4250lbs. Especially when I go back to driving my Huracan EVO. It's night and day. |
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Weight is relative, power to weight and the suspension changes to improve cornering are imperative.
I want this car to be 3600 lbs like everyone else, but the power to weight is better than any other car in BMWs lineup to date (other than maybe a tuned M2CS) and guarantee the 80wtq or so improvement over the prior gen will more than offset the weight gain. Feel free to prove me wrong here but the single digit percent gain in weight i would guess is offset by the double digit percent gain in torque... https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1760674 Last edited by Avaley; 09-25-2020 at 11:24 PM.. |
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I also looked at the C63S coupe with a V8 twin turbo, which i would say is the closest real comparable vehicle in terms of price and performance.
Didn't do the math but i think its heavier and with similar to slightly higher output but no shit its a v8. What I want to know is how this stacks up to the prior cars and competitors based on maximum potential power with tune, fbo, racegas, ethanol, etc. to weight ratio. Best gauge will be the Nordschleife tbh... Last edited by Avaley; 09-25-2020 at 11:37 PM.. |
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Increased weight to match that pig nose
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I owned a M4 comp and F90 M5. The M5 I hated driving. Not fun, heavy, bad steering and you feel the weight. Is it fast absolutely! On paper everything looks great. Does it feel sporty not at all. Fun to drive not really much preferred M4 comp M3/M4 Are massive and overweight now. Trust me the fun factor and Tossability will be affected. Where the old one felt like a go cart this new one may perform better (be faster) but won't match lighter cars driving dynamics
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unfortunately, when buyers want to spend 85k on a car they want all their creature comforts and features...i think todays market the auto and AWD sells the best sadly purists need to hold out and pray the G87 doesnt gain as much weight as her older sisters while retaining their power edit again: tbf the auto industry is getting fat AF |
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Honestly she doesn't look so bad going around corners.
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I wouldn't mind the front design if it was due to engineering consideration such as aero and cooling. Definitely the main reason I wouldn't jump onto G8x is the weight, which is like adding two dead bodies and then giving 50hp more. Not sure about the 8AT transmission only for competition model that starts at whooping $75k. Wouldn't the carbon bucket seats be another $10k option due to the carbon brakes in the same package?
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