[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by dialogical

…because we are in an unprecedented high water mark for used car prices. There's nothing to suggest the F80 is doing any better with resale than anything else right now.

Confirmation bias and citing price increases caused by a "once in a lifetime supply shortage" to back it up.

[modat]

Back in my 20s I was a car fanatic. I drove Audi's, Inifitis, BMWs, ect. Then I got married and had kids. I stopped caring about cars and I fantasized about 3 row crossover SUVS which had enough room for 2 strollers and groceries......thats until I saw the G80.

I fell in love with it immediately and needed to have it.

Who knows? Maybe at 37 I'm having my mid life crisis but, coming from a Honda Pilot and Honda Fit, this is the best car I have ever driven. Im hooked!

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by IB M

^^^
Yeah yeah the G80 is factually faster by a few percents. Same for other "performance" metrics yada yada …

Also 100% factual that the F80 is better "overall" for many forum members. Intangibles: design, rawness, looks, analog bits, blah blah blah

Enjoy your G80 and give me a head start if we drag race. Did u keep the F87?

BTW - is it lost that any F80 owner here could trade-out for a G80 if they wanted ??

You're citing subjective opinion touted by people who already own the car as the metrics for "better." It's a losing argument. As you said, you own 2 F80s, you're biased. Therefore, your arguments reek of bias and are easily countered.

What's a better car? The G80 or the F80? Simple, the G80 from a performance standpoint. It's a faster car around the track. Everything else is subjective, even steering feel.

I love the F80, I still own one. The G80 drives better than my F80 CS (and it's not even close). But just because I love the G80 doesn't make me feel anything but positive for the F80. Both cars have things about them I dislike.

Subjectively speaking, I prefer the more over the top styling of the G80. Maybe you are more low key and that's ok.

Coming on a thread that reaches the front page and telling everyone in 10 years your car will be worth more is not the kind of post I typically see you go with.

[Haueter66]

Originally Posted by LuvMyE92

Great video. You guys, help me out here:

at the very end, he says that the M3 Competition was the second fastest car that they tested at Thunderhill West. The fastest was the M4 base (manual). What I didn't hear him say, was why. Did anyone catch that?

AFAIK the M4 isn't any (or not much) lighter, it's certainly less powerful (in base form), but I suppose there could be some chassis tuning differences.

Anyone?

Randy Pobst made a comment about the M3 Competition not being in the right gear as he was exiting one of the corners. I'm guessing the M4 base with the manual was able to be in the right gear for the same corner.

[xcusem3]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

In our CS Facebook group we have people that got the car when it came out that paid the full sticker and we have people that paid $650 a month lol. I'm in the middle.

How on earth can you lease a $115k car for $700/mo?? I know you're in the USA but these things lease for like $1,500/mo in Canada.. lol $700/mo gets you a Kia here haha wow!

[IB M]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

You're citing subjective opinion touted by people who already own the car as the metrics for "better." It's a losing argument. As you said, you own 2 F80s, you're biased. Therefore, your arguments reek of bias and are easily countered.

What's a better car? The G80 or the F80? Simple, the G80 from a performance standpoint. It's a faster car around the track. Everything else is subjective, even steering feel.

I love the F80, I still own one. The G80 drives better than my F80 CS (and it's not even close). But just because I love the G80 doesn't make me feel anything but positive for the F80. Both cars have things about them I dislike.

Subjectively speaking, I prefer the more over the top styling of the G80. Maybe you are more low key and that's ok.

Coming on a thread that reaches the front page and telling everyone in 10 years your car will be worth more is not the kind of post I typically see you go with.

You're right - I'm not trying to rain on the joy of any G80 owners. It's a wonderful car and it's getting great reviews.

I'm going back to the age old saying - if you have nothing nice to say don't say anything at all.

Peace out and BTW I'll never say never - maybe in a few years I will have a G80 as well.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by xcusem3

How on earth can you lease a $115k car for $700/mo?? I know you're in the USA but these things lease for like $1,500/mo in Canada.. lol $700/mo gets you a Kia here haha wow!

Dealers were knocking $30k off MSRP to move em!

[golovko]

Originally Posted by IB M

^^^
Yeah yeah the G80 is factually faster by a few percents. Same for other "performance" metrics yada yada …

Also 100% factual that the F80 is better "overall" for many forum members. Intangibles: design, rawness, looks, analog bits, blah blah blah

Enjoy your G80 and give me a head start if we drag race. Did u keep the F87?

BTW - is it lost that any F80 owner here could trade-out for a G80 if they wanted ??

Personally I wouldn't agree with that. Having had two F80s (2015 6MT and 2018 6MT Comp) I would definitively say my subjective opinion is that the G80 is better in every way. I loved the F80, it was my first M, but my reaction to the G80 on delivery day was far stronger (positive). Having both in the garage side by side for a few weeks, the F80 lost its spark with me.

[CachacoF80]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Pills, whiskey and self-help tapes. That’s what I recommend. Either that or find a new brand of vehicle to love because this grille is here to stay and you are now in the minority.

I'm sure you have all the stats to back up the minority reference.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by FreeDarko

This review honestly is making me reconsider an m3 again.

Been owning BMWs for past 20 years and moved away this past year to Tesla.

However I miss driving a rwd platform and was looking at Caymans but the fact that I can't take my kids kind of soured me on 2 seaters for time being.

Like quite a few around here, I moved from the F87C to the G80C.

I loved the F87C and my only real complaint was the tune . . . BMW neutered the top of the rev band (above 5K RPM).

In many respects I enjoy the G80C more. Subjectively, I am strongly opposed to the design architecture, but the performance has exceeded my high expectations going into the purchase.

So, I looked past the G80 aesthetic design with focus on performance. My only real complaint about the G80C is its mass. Although it handles very well, it simply feels 'big' . . . compared to the F87C.

I mention all of this in reference to your stated interests and needs. Specifically, you might wish to consider an F87C, or hold out a couple years for the G87? . . . given your appeal for a smaller chassis (e.g., 718) coupled with backseat requirement.

I owned a 718 CGTS and F87C before realizing I did not enjoy owning two visceral driving machines simultaneously . . . and decided to keep the F87C. The 718 CGTS was the best sport I ever owned, but the ///M cars just seem to better suit MY spirited daily driving needs and interests.

From where I sit, BMW has the opportunity to absolutely hit the ball out of the park with the G87. Time will tell how much they bring to the plate?

///AVM

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by IB M

^^^
Yeah yeah the G80 is factually faster by a few percents. Same for other "performance" metrics yada yada …

Also 100% factual that the F80 is better "overall" for many forum members. Intangibles: design, rawness, looks, analog bits, blah blah blah

Enjoy your G80 and give me a head start if we drag race. Did u keep the F87?

BTW - is it lost that any F80 owner here could trade-out for a G80 if they wanted ??

You enjoy yours too, as I'm sure you do.

No I traded the m2.

I'm more so driving this car until the g87 CS or csl is available.

That will be my keep forever car.

[RowanBuds]

Originally Posted by EXE46

As the man says, it's the best iteration he's driven. mike drop!! and Randy would know. G8X is similar to how I feel about the G2X, incredible chassis and this is coming from an E46 fanboy.

I'm not equipped to give a comparative evaluation, but have to chime in on this comment. I might be wrong but I think Pobst is still a BMW Factory driver/tester. I wouldn't expect to hear him say the new one of any BMW is worse than the old one, independent of accuracy. Matter of fact, I can't ever recall an instance of him making that negative comparison.

Either way, I'll get a drive of a G8x someday for myself and hope to like the LCI changes.

[dialogical]

Not calling out anyone in particular, but I have a hard time believing someone is a simultaneously a "true M fan" and someone who can't get past how a car looks. The folks that say they miss the DCT and wish it were smaller are fine; I think those are legit complaints (although if you want a smaller car you should get an M2).

M stands for Motorsport - looks shouldn't be all that important.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Not calling out anyone in particular, but I have a hard time believing someone is a simultaneously a "true M fan" and someone who can't get past how a car looks. The folks that say they miss the DCT and wish it were smaller are fine; I think those are legit complaints (although if you want a smaller car you should get an M2).

M stands for Motorsport - looks shouldn't be all that important.

Did you know there's a whole thread devoted to the exact opposite of this perspective in the F8X section, forced out of the G8X forum?

My G82 is arriving any day now, but your sentiment is quite a bold statement here, D. I hope you have your flame suit on.

I have the sacrilegious E93, so you know I don't care what the masses think, but this perspective that "looks don't matter nearly as much as the performance", and questioning "true M fans", wow, you really stepped out on the branch this one.

[golovko]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Not calling out anyone in particular, but I have a hard time believing someone is a simultaneously a "true M fan" and someone who can't get past how a car looks. The folks that say they miss the DCT and wish it were smaller are fine; I think those are legit complaints (although if you want a smaller car you should get an M2).

M stands for Motorsport - looks shouldn't be all that important.

I don't know, I would not spend any money on a new car I didn't think looked great too. If I only cared about performance I probably wouldn't get a brand new BMW.

[dialogical]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Did you know there's a whole thread devoted to the exact opposite of this perspective in the F8X section, forced out of the G8X forum?

My G82 is arriving any day now, but your sentiment is quite a bold statement here, D. I hope you have your flame suit on.

I have the sacrilegious E93, so you know I don't care what the masses think, but this perspective that "looks don't matter nearly as much as the performance", and questioning "true M fans", wow, you really stepped out on the branch this one.

Yeah I gave up on them a while ago. They aren't really interested in anything but shitting on the G80, and they're not gonna let pesky things like facts get in the way of their victim complex.

[beammeupscottie]

Finally a review that justifies its headline. This guy did a solid history which was enlightening. Bravo.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Yeah I gave up on them a while ago. They aren't really interested in anything but shitting on the G80, and they're not gonna let pesky things like facts get in the way of their victim complex.

dialogical

I think you more than realize that each individual enthusiast has their own interests and needs . . . and, yes, there are a LOT of forum members who need to like the way their car 'looks.'

The above stated, I am 100% with you when it comes to G80 performance trumping whatever it offers when it comes to the visual senses. We can start and stop with the front grille, which I find completely atrocious.

I am not completely immune to design aesthetics as, for example, the G82 crosses an aesthetic threshold I would not be wiling to cross . . . regardless of performance.

///AVM

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by beammeupscottie

Finally a review that justifies its headline. This guy did a solid history which was enlightening. Bravo.

The historical background was great. I learned something for sure.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

I'm sure you have all the stats to back up the minority reference.

Yes. Sales numbers. It’s really all the stats you need. Money is the ultimate stat.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Patton250

Yes. Sales numbers. It's really all the stats you need. Money is the ultimate stat.

At the end of the day, yep!!!!

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by ///AVM

dialogical

I think you more than realize that each individual enthusiast has their own interests and needs . . . and, yes, there are a LOT of forum members who need to like the way their car 'looks.'

The above stated, I am 100% with you when it comes to G80 performance trumping whatever it offers when it comes to the visual senses. We can start and stop with the front grille, which I find completely atrocious.

I am not completely immune to design aesthetics as, for example, the G82 crosses an aesthetic threshold I would not be wiling to cross . . . regardless of performance.

///AVM

I have a question. Why would you ever buy anything you found even partly atrocious? Let me explain. I have absolutely never liked the looks of the Corvette. (I love the new one). however I drove one once and it was a total blast. A true joy. I could have afforded it at the time but I could never get over the looks so I passed. Of course I don’t go on Corvette forums and tell all the enthusiast how ugly their favorite car is but I still don’t know why anyone would buy something they think is ugly. I’m still convinced that most of you long term diehard BMW M car fans are more upset that BMW changed it from the traditional grille rather then the ACTUAL looks of the new grille. I believe this because if you ask anybody that has no idea what car that is whether they think the front looks good or not I have yet to hear a person say they didn’t like it. The only haters seem to be the diehard long term BMW M car enthusiasts. YMMV