[TargaM2]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

One is a true sports car; the other a sports sedan or coupe (whichever flavor you prefer) which caters to the one size fits all buyers.

A drag race doesn't mean anything. Driving dynamics is what ultimately matters.

BMW owners get so damn butt hurt when their cars are compared to an Infiniti or Lexus; yet they pound their chest whilst beating a base Carrera in a lame drag race. Oh the irony....

I own a BMW; but I don't have an ego issue or a case of blinded brand loyalty that prevents me from calling a spade, a spade.

A Dodge demon would annihilate a G80/82 in a drag race for less money. So is everyone ready to trade in their BMW for one?......therein lies the truth.

Most sensible post in this thread & going by the number of people that appreciate the post many others agree.
I have an F87 (amongst other toys) & love it, but having owned many other performance cars over the past 30 years I understand that there is always something better.
Unlike many on here I don't feel the need to hang shit on anything better simply because I can't afford it or because I'm jealous or because I'm insecure or whatever other hang up people on here may suffer from.
Fanboys (any brand) are the amateurs of the enthusiast car community, ALWAYS have been & ALWAYS will be.
Actual performance car enthusiasts understand & appreciate performance cars regardless of what badge it wears.
Unfortunately many on forums like this have little experience with other brand performance cars so have no objective point of reference, thus they simply spew forth the rhetoric they read related to whatever brand they own as gospel due to simple ignorance.
Hell in just the last 12 months we've bought the wife an Audi Sport Q2 & sold her Jcw Mini, bought the daughter a Hyundai i30N, sold my Amg A45 & bought my Bmw M2, began restoring my MK1 Escort, competed in my Megane RS275R track car & sold my Clio RS200 tarmac rally car.
My point is there is ALWAYS something better & that is something to appreciate & aspire to, not something to be disappointed & defensive about.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by EvenKeel

I think you're missing the point. It's not about folks being happy about a BMW out accelerating a 911. It's about the implication that the out acceleration of the Porsche by the BMW means it's the better car. That's simply not the case. Therein lies the rub.

You're right oh wise one, I was born yesterday, just another clueless wanker here eh. "Better" is subjective so your argument is moot. What does it matter if someone thinks their G82 is better than a base 911. In fact, the G82 maybe the better car for that person's specific need. Who are you to say what's best for another individual whose needs aren't your own. We all value different things in a car, there are some fanboys here who can easily afford a 911 base or otherwise and still prefer the G80/G82.

The glaring point you miss is that this is a BMW forum where fans of BMW congregate and chat. Yet somehow you're surprised as if you're new to the internet. Go to Clublexus you'll see RCF owners proclaiming not only that their car is better than an M4 but also that BMW's are garbage etc and this is not exclusive that site alone. At least here people are not crapping on Porsche. Instead we have posters who continuously crap on the new M3/M4 here and somehow gets agitated that we don't all share their disdain for this generation M3/M4.

[FrankieNuo]

Originally Posted by Habber

Add some cones to the track and then evaluate. I don't see why people feel the need to do these tests. Different cars, different classes.

I think it's more about people trying to justify that their M car is "better" than a 911 when in reality they don't even match up.

It reminds me of the 3 series owners doing the same going head to head against the M models.

Cones, no cones, the Porsche gets spanked in every category. The Volkswagen's starting price is at a premium of $24,500 over the M4comp, not to mention VW creates tons more through money grab options that may bring the total to $150,000. Btw, every advertised spec(i.e. 0-60)on the base Carrera is "better" then the m4. If you're gonna buy a Volkswagen, then buy the Turbo s. Anything else is lesser than the competition.

[Habber]

Originally Posted by FrankieNuo

Cones, no cones, the Porsche gets spanked in every category. The Volkswagen's starting price is at a premium of $24,500 over the M4comp, not to mention VW creates tons more through money grab options that may bring the total to $150,000. Btw, every advertised spec(i.e. 0-60)on the base Carrera is "better" then the m4. If you're gonna buy a Volkswagen, then buy the Turbo s. Anything else is lesser than the competition.

Competition?

They don't compete against each other.

That's the whole point.

[mjr24]

Wow, are mods actually removing posts from this thread? LMFAO, WTF?

The last like 35 articles on bimmerpost have been about the damn M3/M4 (to the point that others have been starting threads on the other forums asking why they are doing this) and then they cry/bitch/remove random individual posts?

Mods are some sensitive MF'ers on this site. Now I see why they got rid of the politics forum suddenly. Next they will be deleting all anti-BMW posts.....hell, they even removed the thread from the guy who took early delivery of his M3.

[am335i]

Originally Posted by Jcali86

A car that costs $40k+ more as standard? Porsche choose to price their base at the same level as the M4, so that's obviously what would be the comparison.

The base 911 starts at 99k, so even the price isn't close.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

LOL a base carrera w 125 hp less. Plus the guy let off.

Regardless of results, still buying a 911 the real drivers car.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by Transfer

I just configured a base 992 C2 very close to how I would configure an M4 and it's up to $134k. Ouch.

Yes, but once you drive it, you will know why it's so much and you will know why a Porsche is so much better.

The E92 was amazing, then the F80, but this new gen is aimed a easily impressionable raceway fans, teens, and guys who drag race to show on instagram. Sadly the end of BMW M cars. Beginning of Lexus/Toyota styling over BMW.

[khurmit]

More than happy with this result. The ugly b4st4rd of a car needs to justify its pricetag somehow.

For me personally, I would choose looks over the uselessness of speed all day.

Nobody will know it's a faster car unless you drive like a bellend all the time, but everyone will think it's an ugly b4st4rd each and everytime you are driving it. Especially when parked next to the Porsche.

[khurmit]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Lol, is it so wrong for me to want to have a new car, seats 5 people, can drive fast in a straight line, drive fast around corners, have a nice interior and not break my wallet?

Notably there is no mention of aesthetics in your reasoning here.

A car that has everything but good looks.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by GuyOh

Man, people used to shit on the M cars for not winning drag races, and now people shit on them for being able to win drag races

So true! BMW can't win.

[jmaville]

Go to sell the M3 in 3-5 years vs the Porsche... you'll be happy you bought a 911...

[nublu2u]

I’m actually delighted that BMW M have made such a great car, with the added weight I worried that the suspension would be brutally hard to compensate. Also great that the interior is now rated above Audi.

I still can’t handle the looks and will probably end up going the Porsche route, ideally a 991.2 C4S, from a OPC a 4 year car will cost the same as a new G8*, but buying from Porsche you at least get a 2 year warranty. So I understand the whole M car value for money.

[EvenKeel]

Originally Posted by EXE46

You're right oh wise one, I was born yesterday, just another clueless wanker here eh. "Better" is subjective so your argument is moot. What does it matter if someone thinks their G82 is better than a base 911. In fact, the G82 maybe the better car for that person's specific need. Who are you to say what's best for another individual whose needs aren't your own. We all value different things in a car, there are some fanboys here who can easily afford a 911 base or otherwise and still prefer the G80/G82.

The glaring point you miss is that this is a BMW forum where fans of BMW congregate and chat. Yet somehow you're surprised as if you're new to the internet. Go to Clublexus you'll see RCF owners proclaiming not only that their car is better than an M4 but also that BMW's are garbage etc and this is not exclusive that site alone. At least here people are not crapping on Porsche. Instead we have posters who continuously crap on the new M3/M4 here and somehow gets agitated that we don't all share their disdain for this generation M3/M4.

Okay

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Yes, but once you drive it, you will know why it's so much and you will know why a Porsche is so much better.

The E92 was amazing, then the F80, but this new gen is aimed a easily impressionable raceway fans, teens, and guys who drag race to show on instagram. Sadly the end of BMW M cars. Beginning of Lexus/Toyota styling over BMW.

Why would I go test drive it? It's out of my budget. Should I go drive a McLaren too?

[TX3M]

Impressive!

[BluM4]

Originally Posted by jmaville

Go to sell the M3 in 3-5 years vs the Porsche... you'll be happy you bought a 911...

Not true. C2 will easily cost about $140k with tax and fees. You will probably get back $90K when you sell it in 3 years. M3/M4 can be had for 90K, you will likely get $50k for it after 3 years. Percentage-wise that C2 will depreciate less but the actual dollar is more. On top of that, I should be able to get at least 10% return in the stock market every year. The $50k I save should give me about $17K in return after 3 years. Net net, C2 will cost about $27k more to own.

Btw, C2 is a good car but not a great car. Test drove it many times and it is just ok. Have to get a C2s with sport package and that will set you back for another $15k.

[BluM4]

Originally Posted by Ghostriderf80

Yes, but once you drive it, you will know why it's so much and you will know why a Porsche is so much better.

The E92 was amazing, then the F80, but this new gen is aimed a easily impressionable raceway fans, teens, and guys who drag race to show on instagram. Sadly the end of BMW M cars. Beginning of Lexus/Toyota styling over BMW.

C2s is a better car for sure but my built was $160k with tax and fee. Have been waiting for an allocation on one until I decided to jump to the G82. Definitely not $70k better than the M4.

I am not sure the new-gen M4 is aiming for whatever you mentioned above. It is definitely a much better car than my F82. I truly feel people need to move on from E92. Time has progress and people need to stop looking back. Same as the Rennlist people who still think the air-cool 911 with the clothes seat is just more superior than the 992.

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by BluM4

C2s is a better car for sure but my built was $160k with tax and fee. Have been waiting for an allocation on one until I decided to jump to the G82. Definitely not $70k better than the M4.

I am not sure the new-gen M4 is aiming for whatever you mentioned above. It is definitely a much better car than my F82. I truly feel people need to move on from E92. Time has progress and people need to stop looking back. Same as the Rennlist people who still think the air-cool 911 with the clothes seat is just more superior than the 992.

I like your response because it epitomizes this thread in general.

So I'd like to share that IMHO the e92 M3 DCT ZCP + carbon roof + enhanced sound is the greatest all around car ever built. Period.

People can like whatever they want and whose to say our opinion is wrong.

[Sjokosaus]

BMW really started a war between BMW owners, I'm honestly quite impressed.

[nublu2u]

My theory is that folks get very attached to their first M car, and tend to look back favourably, and forward with trepidation.

I consider the M3 the halo car for BMW, so they can’t/ couldn’t afford to screw it up. You have to say, if the intention was create a divisive and dynamically super capable car, then BMW M have achieved their goal.

[10"]

loving how a car drives isn't about a drag race it's about how they feel to drive.