Confirmed: S58 Stock Internals handling over 1000hp.

EDWYER · 08-10-2021, 11:14 AM

Roch M4 · 08-10-2021, 11:16 AM

The question is not to know if the engine can handle 1000 + HP...it's how long it will take to ruin the engine? 10 000 miles....20 000 miles?

EvenKeel · 08-10-2021, 11:36 AM

Making numbers on a dyno and making real world RELIABLE performance are not the same thing. Report back once you're got 50K miles on the setup. At that point you can say CONFIRMED. Nobody cares about dyno queens.

Limegrntaln · 08-10-2021, 11:41 AM

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Traction has entered the chat.

Traction has entered the chat, looked around, and realized the guy next to him, waited 3 months, and ordered an xDrive.

///M TOWN · 08-10-2021, 11:42 AM

My understanding is the B58 is just as stout

Simply amazing

TheBingoBalls · 08-10-2021, 11:45 AM

What ever happened to the B58/Supra project on YouTube? Interested to see what ended up happening with their tune and how reliable it was on stock internals. If their B58 didn't experience catastrophic failure, perhaps we will see similar or even better results with the S58.

xcusem3 · 08-10-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Very interesting!

What I've gathered from the video:
- 100% stock engine is good up to about 700-750hp (that includes stock turbos, stock fuel system)
- this is where we will max out with Stage 2 tunes with catless downpipes and E85
- and this will literally cost like $1500 ($600 for BM3, $600 for down pipes)

- Up to 1050hp is possible on stock engine internals with upgraded turbos, upgraded fuel system/port injection and cooling system
- my thoughts on this point is that this will cost around 10k-12k but that's incredibly cheap for that kind of level of power
- the question here is how the transmission will handle it

It's a slushbox auto with a torque converter… it'll be fine

///M TOWN · 08-10-2021, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by xcusem3

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Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Very interesting!

What I've gathered from the video:
- 100% stock engine is good up to about 700-750hp (that includes stock turbos, stock fuel system)
- this is where we will max out with Stage 2 tunes with catless downpipes and E85
- and this will literally cost like $1500 ($600 for BM3, $600 for down pipes)

- Up to 1050hp is possible on stock engine internals with upgraded turbos, upgraded fuel system/port injection and cooling system
- my thoughts on this point is that this will cost around 10k-12k but that's incredibly cheap for that kind of level of power
- the question here is how the transmission will handle it

It's a slushbox auto with a torque converter… it'll be fine

We'll see ‼️

😬

CadHater · 08-10-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M TOWN

My understanding is the B58 is just as stout

Simply amazing

Good info on the differences.

m20e3087 · 08-10-2021, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

That's really impressive.

Super impressive.

SickGTR · 08-10-2021, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cfm56d7b

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Originally Posted by McLaren720s

Very interesting!

What I've gathered from the video:
- 100% stock engine is good up to about 700-750hp (that includes stock turbos, stock fuel system)
- this is where we will max out with Stage 2 tunes with catless downpipes and E85
- and this will literally cost like $1500 ($600 for BM3, $600 for down pipes)

- Up to 1050hp is possible on stock engine internals with upgraded turbos, upgraded fuel system/port injection and cooling system
- my thoughts on this point is that this will cost around 10k-12k but that's incredibly cheap for that kind of level of power
- the question here is how the transmission will handle it

Transmission, differentials and even other components would be subject to more stress. This is not as easy as "let's deploy 1000hp and never look back".

THIS!! Stuff is going to break at 950-1K torque. Lol. Especially if your drag racing. Not that it can't but I will be surprised if the tranny and axles don't fail early on if your driving the car hard. Just have to be prepared to shovel out a bunch of cash when you explode shit. Motor/tranny. The damage from those failures can cause a bunch more damage and repair costs. Been there/done that. You live and learn. Other expensive parts/sensors always seem to get caught in the cross fire when stuff breaks. It blows

SeanWRT · 08-10-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by F85MTuNED

on stock turbos it will go 9's in the 1/4 for sure!

For the weight (AWD), takes about 800whp minimum (900+crank hp) to do that.

Stock turbo, according to this video, taps out 750 crank, 650 wheel. Not even close.

BMWM4MAX · 08-10-2021, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kyleb350

On pump gas no less.

FUCK that!!! I would NOT spend all that money and then run Pump gas

To me, it's a ticking time bomb. To each their own I guess

Dude you should join the Mercedes forum if you are going to have a mental breakdown.

bimmer456 · 08-10-2021, 01:34 PM

Would be great if you could tune an EV and add 500 HP over stock. Make your regular Tesla faster than plaid with a bootmod tune for $500.

BMWM4MAX · 08-10-2021, 01:37 PM

My concern would be torque limit. Im sure the vehicle runs properly, but as soon as you start mashing the gas, it seems like on mostly stock internals, the engine/transmission would fail. It's awesome to see guys doing stuff like this though. Pushes the engineering, BMW wouldn't have gone so extreme on the new m4/m3 if these 3rd party groups weren't pushing them to be better. Very cool to see.

F85MTuNED · 08-10-2021, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanWRT

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Originally Posted by F85MTuNED

on stock turbos it will go 9's in the 1/4 for sure!

For the weight (AWD), takes about 800whp minimum (900+crank hp) to do that.

Stock turbo, according to this video, taps out 750 crank, 650 wheel. Not even close.

Sorry sometimes I forget that my mind will forever be stuck in race car mode… when I said this I was thinking of a G80 stripped, drag pack etc..but tbh I still feel like it will be very low 10's and still it's possible a high 9 second pass can happen but we'll have to wait until that day.

SickGTR · 08-10-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWM4MAX

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Originally Posted by SickGTR

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Originally Posted by kyleb350

On pump gas no less.

FUCK that!!! I would NOT spend all that money and then run Pump gas

To me, it's a ticking time bomb. To each their own I guess

Dude you should join the Mercedes forum if you are going to have a mental breakdown.

Huh?

0Camus0 · 08-10-2021, 02:16 PM

Being real and honest, the only reason I care if the S58 can hit 1000 HP without exploding, is because I know that it won't be stressed with 600 whp, which would be my target for daily, once the DME is cracked.

SickGTR · 08-10-2021, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 0Camus0

Being real and honest, the only reason I care if the S58 can hit 1000 HP without exploding, is because I know that it won't be stressed with 600 whp, which would be my target for daily, once the DME is cracked.

600 will be fine. Probably as reliable as stock. Especially if you run E-85

SickGTR · 08-10-2021, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BMWM4MAX

My concern would be torque limit. Im sure the vehicle runs properly, but as soon as you start mashing the gas, it seems like on mostly stock internals, the engine/transmission would fail. It's awesome to see guys doing stuff like this though. Pushes the engineering, BMW wouldn't have gone so extreme on the new m4/m3 if these 3rd party groups weren't pushing them to be better. Very cool to see.

Exactly!! They can find the weak points now. Let them break and blow shit up:-)

///M ARMY · 08-10-2021, 02:25 PM

this is going to be fun....

F85MTuNED · 08-10-2021, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 0Camus0

Being real and honest, the only reason I care if the S58 can hit 1000 HP without exploding, is because I know that it won't be stressed with 600 whp, which would be my target for daily, once the DME is cracked.

It will make that easy it's making almost 500 bone stock and that was before the break in lol. I'm not going to lie I'll be looking for 750+ whp as for torque I'll just apply the same concept I had with the S63TU platform keep torque low (&#128514

even though BMW's inline 6's have been proven to take abuse for many years..

If I ever decide to approach 4 digit Hp/Tq numbers I'll give Mr. Cp-Carrillo a call lol.

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EvenKeel Captain 418 Rep 886 Posts Drives: Sedan Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Making numbers on a dyno and making real world RELIABLE performance are not the same thing. Report back once you're got 50K miles on the setup. At that point you can say CONFIRMED. Nobody cares about dyno queens.
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BMWM4MAX New Member 14 Rep 6 Posts Drives: 2019 BMW M4 CP Join Date: Jul 2021 Location: West Hollywood iTrader: (0)	My concern would be torque limit. Im sure the vehicle runs properly, but as soon as you start mashing the gas, it seems like on mostly stock internals, the engine/transmission would fail. It's awesome to see guys doing stuff like this though. Pushes the engineering, BMW wouldn't have gone so extreme on the new m4/m3 if these 3rd party groups weren't pushing them to be better. Very cool to see.
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