M4 CSL vs. 911 GT3: Drag Race & Roll Race [Carwow]

ScullyD · 10-10-2022, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

Sedan_Clan · 10-10-2022, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ScullyD

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Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

The 992 is great, but it is a very refined Porsche product. It feels very different than the GTS 4.0 and the aural signatures are a world apart. I think the CSL is a great buy, especially given how special it is in the BMW ///M line-up.

ScullyD · 10-10-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

The 992 is great, but it is a very refined Porsche product. It feels very different than the GTS 4.0 and the aural signatures are a world apart. I think the CSL is a great buy, especially given how special it is in the BMW ///M line-up.

If I don't find a Boxster GTS 4.0 in 6 spd exciting, will I find a C2 or C2S exciting?

Sedan_Clan · 10-10-2022, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BIGW0RM

Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

The 992 is great, but it is a very refined Porsche product. It feels very different than the GTS 4.0 and the aural signatures are a world apart. I think the CSL is a great buy, especially given how special it is in the BMW ///M line-up.

If I don't find a Boxster GTS 4.0 in 6 spd exciting, will I find a C2 or C2S exciting?

Let me put it this way, I drove mzcp's Cayman GTS 4.0 for an hour the morning I picked up my 992 back in early April 2022. It was a mix of street driving, freeway driving and some high rev action. I'm not partial to engine methodology (…e.g…naturally aspirated, force induced, etc.); I like them all equally. That said, I much prefer the 992 to the 4.0 GTS across the spectrum of driving experiences. It's no Porsche GT product, so it won't match that level of excitement, but it is an extremely capable car. I think in many ways you'll need to drive most of the available performance cars like you stole them to experience the "excitement" I think you're after, a GT3, GT4 or CSL included. It sounds to me like you want to be supremely engaged even while traveling at legal speeds. That's going to be a tall order bro.

ScullyD · 10-10-2022, 07:44 PM

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Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

The 992 is great, but it is a very refined Porsche product. It feels very different than the GTS 4.0 and the aural signatures are a world apart. I think the CSL is a great buy, especially given how special it is in the BMW ///M line-up.

If I don't find a Boxster GTS 4.0 in 6 spd exciting, will I find a C2 or C2S exciting?

Let me put it this way, I drove mzcp's Cayman GTS 4.0 for an hour the morning I picked up my 992 back in early April 2022. It was a mix of street driving, freeway driving and some high rev action. I'm not partial to engine methodology (…e.g…naturally aspirated, force induced, etc.); I like them all equally. That said, I much prefer the 992 to the 4.0 GTS across the spectrum of driving experiences. It's no Porsche GT product, so it won't match that level of excitement, but it is an extremely capable car. I think in many ways you'll need to drive most of the available performance cars like you stole them to experience the "excitement" I think you're after, a GT3, GT4 or CSL included. It sounds to me like you want to be supremely engaged even while traveling at legal speeds. That's going to be a tall order bro.

I love my M2 CS, but I'm thinking as far as current Pcar products, I'd need GT4/Spyder in PDK, GT4 RS or GT3 6 speed.

Sedan_Clan · 10-10-2022, 07:47 PM

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Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

I will say i was somewhat disappointed in the Boxster GTS 4.0 i had compared to my M2 CS, which i've gone into on other threads. The M2 CS was the much more exciting car to drive, and a car that I always think about when not driving it. I can't imagine i'd find a standard 992 C2 or C2S much more exciting, or i'd just go buy one. I think i'd have to get up to a GT car (either GT4 or GT3) to find a car i'd prefer. My ideal Porsche would be a 991.2 Speedster, but cost and insurance is a tad prohibitive (upwards of $400k+).

Whereas, this CSL sounds like, in the right spec, it could be a very exciting car to drive. There is no way you can get even a C2S under 140k, so its kind of a good value in some ways. But time will tell, i'll need to drive it myself.

The 992 is great, but it is a very refined Porsche product. It feels very different than the GTS 4.0 and the aural signatures are a world apart. I think the CSL is a great buy, especially given how special it is in the BMW ///M line-up.

If I don't find a Boxster GTS 4.0 in 6 spd exciting, will I find a C2 or C2S exciting?

Let me put it this way, I drove mzcp's Cayman GTS 4.0 for an hour the morning I picked up my 992 back in early April 2022. It was a mix of street driving, freeway driving and some high rev action. I'm not partial to engine methodology (…e.g…naturally aspirated, force induced, etc.); I like them all equally. That said, I much prefer the 992 to the 4.0 GTS across the spectrum of driving experiences. It's no Porsche GT product, so it won't match that level of excitement, but it is an extremely capable car. I think in many ways you'll need to drive most of the available performance cars like you stole them to experience the "excitement" I think you're after, a GT3, GT4 or CSL included. It sounds to me like you want to be supremely engaged even while traveling at legal speeds. That's going to be a tall order bro.

I love my M2 CS, but I'm thinking as far as current Pcar products, I'd need GT4/Spyder in PDK, GT4 RS or GT3 6 speed.

The GT4 Spyder would probably be the easiest to procure.

BIGW0RM · 10-11-2022, 09:08 AM

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Agreed. Until you've done it, you just don't know.

I remember when I bought my first 991.2 S. I could not believe I was spending the money I was for a car. But man oh man. The second I drove it home, I felt I got my monies worth and THEN SOME.

My 992 experiences were a let down. But my last one was still the nicest best car I've ever owned. Now that my infamous clicking sound has been ruled completely normal. I admit. I do miss my last 992 S. But man that clicking drove me nuts.

Worm, I expect to see you back in a Porsche real soon. I'm keeping an eye out on Rennlist.....

Oh I'll be back someday I'm sure. For now I'm over at Jeep. I bought a loaded Wrangler Rubicon with MT tires. Im enjoying running shit over for a change. Gotta get ready to run for the hills once those who got the jab turn into zombies!

BIGW0RM · 10-11-2022, 10:56 AM

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For everybody claiming they'd take the Porsche, why are you not driving 991 GT3's, 992 Carrera S' or GTS', etc.? Those are all attainable. It's always interesting how many people are quick to bring up the P-Car but are largely unwilling to actually buy the P-Car.

I did! I tried 991.2 S, 991.2 GTS, and two 992 S's. Best drivers car period.

I find this comparison apples to oranges. Porsche 911 trumps every BMW every day of the week period.

Except for family practicality and perhaps infotainment.

Which one was the most engaging?

For me, the 991.2 S was probably the funnest to drive. It wasn't the fastest, but it's power to weight (mine was narrow body) ratio was just much more fun.

Then the 991.2 GTS. It was a wide body but most of the added power was in the mid to high speed gains.

My 992's were the fastest. But they felt heavier and not nearly as raw.

If I were buying used 911 today. I'd probably go for a higher end 991.2 model.

shaft69 · 10-19-2022, 04:50 PM

Dont have to ask me which car pref 911 best car in the world. Full stop.

picaso · 10-19-2022, 07:45 PM

I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

Sedan_Clan · 10-19-2022, 09:18 PM

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I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

Sexy ass GT3!

MadBimmeRad · 10-20-2022, 12:49 AM

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I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

Sexy ass GT3!

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I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

There's one missing in between those two, perfect colour too

flsupraguy · 10-20-2022, 02:20 AM

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I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

Very nice. I've had nearly every 911 variant (993 and newer) and every m3 variant (e46 and newer) and there really is no comparison on track. Don't get me wrong, my g80 is a great car but it's no gt3...

ScullyD · 10-20-2022, 11:09 AM

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The GT4 Spyder would probably be the easiest to procure.

Having had the Boxster 25 Years (Which has the GT4 short shifter in it + the GTS 4.0 version of that engine), i'm reluctant to pay for a Spyder thinking it won't be that big of an upgrade on street. And i'm not going to track a convertible.

Thats why i bought the 25 years in the first. Great car btw, but i just never found it very exciting to drive. Was great to take the wife out for an afternoon in.

Even thought they continually developed the 718 platform, it just doesn't seem to be able to hold a candle to a 911.

Bill76 · 10-20-2022, 11:55 AM

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Having had the Boxster 25 Years (Which has the GT4 short shifter in it + the GTS 4.0 version of that engine), i'm reluctant to pay for a Spyder thinking it won't be that big of an upgrade on street. And i'm not going to track a convertible.

Thats why i bought the 25 years in the first. Great car btw, but i just never found it very exciting to drive. Was great to take the wife out for an afternoon in.

Even thought they continually developed the 718 platform, it just doesn't seem to be able to hold a candle to a 911.

I have a 992 GT3 and a 718 Spyder. The suspension/feeling between a 718 gt4/spyder and a 718 GTS/25th anniversary has a huge difference for me, GT car department makes them more sharp and stiff, but it is not for everybody; some people will not like it.
The 992 GT3 has better steering (this is the big difference vs the 991.2 GT3 that I had before), but the 718 GT4/Spyder is the best bang for the buck in the Porsche line.
What happens with the 4.0l that comes in the 718 GTS/GT4/Spyder: The factory exhaust is a disaster (it only lasted 400 miles on mine), the rear muffler has a really bad tone, you have to change it, and if you take out the OPF filters here is where the sound comes back to a real NA flat six, and the mid-range/high rpm power band gets a huge improvement.
for me the 718 Spyder design is one of the most beautiful Porsches of every time

ScullyD · 10-20-2022, 12:08 PM

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Having had the Boxster 25 Years (Which has the GT4 short shifter in it + the GTS 4.0 version of that engine), i'm reluctant to pay for a Spyder thinking it won't be that big of an upgrade on street. And i'm not going to track a convertible.

Thats why i bought the 25 years in the first. Great car btw, but i just never found it very exciting to drive. Was great to take the wife out for an afternoon in.

Even thought they continually developed the 718 platform, it just doesn't seem to be able to hold a candle to a 911.

I have a 992 GT3 and a 718 Spyder. The suspension/feeling between a 718 gt4/spyder and a 718 GTS/25th anniversary has a huge difference for me, GT car department makes them more sharp and stiff, but it is not for everybody; some people will not like it.
The 992 GT3 has better steering (this is the big difference vs the 991.2 GT3 that I had before), but the 718 GT4/Spyder is the best bang for the buck in the Porsche line.
What happens with the 4.0l that comes in the 718 GTS/GT4/Spyder: The factory exhaust is a disaster (it only lasted 400 miles on mine), the rear muffler has a really bad tone, you have to change it, and if you take out the OPF filters here is where the sound comes back to a real NA flat six, and the mid-range/high rpm power band gets a huge improvement.
for me the 718 Spyder design is one of the most beautiful Porsches of every time

The 25 Years had a great tone on the exhaust, was a factory Remus exhaust and it sounded much better than a friend of mine's Spyder. I think it was a different exhaust entirely. An aftermarket exhaust will sound better than both.

The ride quality was amazingly good but the steering was very vague. I assume that's fixed on Spyder with the 991.2 GT3 front suspension.

I liked the way the traditional Boxster looks with a usable, retractable soft top, just wish you could get a better suspension with that. I often used to raise and lower the roof in traffic under 30 miles an hour, so I didn't want to give that up.

Gearing was a major issue when street driving and I'm not surprised the engine is bored and stroked from the 3.0L. It has a pretty good mid range, but doesn't feel like it loves to rev out to 8k. I imagine it feels more free revving after thousands of miles of break in and is a better car in PDK.

From my personal position, it was a really great convertible. But I think it's a very overrated sports car experience.

Sedan_Clan · 10-20-2022, 12:23 PM

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Having had the Boxster 25 Years (Which has the GT4 short shifter in it + the GTS 4.0 version of that engine), i'm reluctant to pay for a Spyder thinking it won't be that big of an upgrade on street. And i'm not going to track a convertible.

Thats why i bought the 25 years in the first. Great car btw, but i just never found it very exciting to drive. Was great to take the wife out for an afternoon in.

Even thought they continually developed the 718 platform, it just doesn't seem to be able to hold a candle to a 911.

I have a 992 GT3 and a 718 Spyder. The suspension/feeling between a 718 gt4/spyder and a 718 GTS/25th anniversary has a huge difference for me, GT car department makes them more sharp and stiff, but it is not for everybody; some people will not like it.
The 992 GT3 has better steering (this is the big difference vs the 991.2 GT3 that I had before), but the 718 GT4/Spyder is the best bang for the buck in the Porsche line.
What happens with the 4.0l that comes in the 718 GTS/GT4/Spyder: The factory exhaust is a disaster (it only lasted 400 miles on mine), the rear muffler has a really bad tone, you have to change it, and if you take out the OPF filters here is where the sound comes back to a real NA flat six, and the mid-range/high rpm power band gets a huge improvement.
for me the 718 Spyder design is one of the most beautiful Porsches of every time

Gahhhh! I want a GT3 so bad.

edwinm3 · 10-21-2022, 09:43 AM

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I got rid of all my bmws and moved to Porsche. A track and daily. Was tempted to trade the daily for the new 7series or XM, but couldn't get myself to do it.

I too made the move to a gt3, no comparison.

G30M · 10-23-2022, 12:25 AM

won't give any spoilers i guess

Atavus · 10-23-2022, 01:38 AM

The title gives it away.

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