[flsupraguy]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

The people who bought the Porsche are over on Rennlist, not here.

I must be the unicorn having both.....

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Teutonic

Right…
Now let’s add the points for proper rear seats and a proper trunk please…

The M4 CSL has no rear seats...

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SocalBM

I'll buck that trend. I'm on both sites because I have loved both brands and owned both brands for decades. BMW has let me down lately, however. I wanted the new G80 (and now the G87) to be dailies, but I feel BMW has lost their way. Ugly designs, massive weight gain.

I still hold out hope for a good looking, good driving, small sports sedan from Bavaria.

Same here.

[G MONEY]

It's always the same thing on this site. Lol. If whatever M car loses a drag race all the fanboys " it's not made for that. It will do this and that on the track"
Now we are drag racing the CSL? I always thought the car was decent at both? To me, there is not a single day or reason I would pick the CSL over the GT3. 1 is the prom queen/ cheerleader/slut the other is Karen.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

For everybody claiming they'd take the Porsche, why are you not driving 991 GT3's, 992 Carrera S' or GTS', etc.? Those are all attainable. It's always interesting how many people are quick to bring up the P-Car but are largely unwilling to actually buy the P-Car.

Many reasons why.

Long wait lists for P cars especially the GT3. When I say long I mean years out.

Used GT3s have too high of an ADM.

If you're dropping $150k for GTS might as well get GT3 at $180k.
6 speed MT + 4.0 liter NA in GT3 better than the Turbo + 7 speed MT in GTS/S.

If a GT3 allocation came along I'd def buy it, not bc of 0-60 times or lap times but bc it's a NA MT.

GT3 is more of an occasion than the M4 but I'm also the buyer that will buy an LCI Manual M3 in a couple of years and never buy an automatic/DCT sports car.

Not sure how many buyers are cross shopping these two cars but IMO the buyer of the m4 CSL is most likely just really into BMWs (nothing wrong with that obv).

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Many reasons why.

Long wait lists for P cars especially the GT3. When I say long I mean years out.

Used GT3s have too high of an ADM.

If you're dropping $150k for GTS might as well get GT3 at $180k.
6 speed MT + 4.0 liter NA in GT3 better than the Turbo + 7 speed MT in GTS/S.

If a GT3 allocation came along I'd def buy it, not bc of 0-60 times or lap times but bc it's a NA MT.

GT3 is more of an occasion than the M4 but I'm also the buyer that will buy an LCI Manual M3 in a couple of years and never buy an automatic/DCT sports car.

Not sure how many buyers are cross shopping these two cars but IMO the buyer of the m4 CSL is most likely just really into BMWs (nothing wrong with that obv).

The "long wait list" thing is a cop-out IMHO. That's a more recent phenomenon. The "You should just go buy the Porsche" comments go as far back as 2000 when I came to the brand.

If you can buy a CSL, you can likely afford to buy a used 991 GT3 or a new non-GT/non-TT/S 992 despite the inflated used car prices and/or new car ADM's. So what's the hold up?!?? All of these people should have Porsches by now.


P.S. No new 992 GT3 is "$180k"…..

[M2Cmtl]

If you buy a car based on looks... that GT3 is gorgeous!

[DaWhole9]

Originally Posted by gnx

Team Schirmer, six fifty eight.

I said production because once you get into Tuners, like Manthey which did the ring 5 seconds faster than the standard GT3. And Porsche still has the GT3RS which is faster still.

[Wes335XI]

We just watched the highly anticipated M4 CSL get spanked lol. If any car ever launches like that at the drag strip, you'll be wondering and asking your buddy the question, "what's wrong?" I would've just turned launch control off and gave that a shot.

Does the CSL only come in an automatic?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

We just watched the highly anticipated M4 CSL get spanked lol.

Does the CSL only come in an automatic?

Quite the comment without any context. Porsche 911's always launch well. After all, the weight is squarely over the rear tires.


….and yes, it's only an automatic.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The "long wait list" thing is a cop-out IMHO. That's a more recent phenomenon. The "You should just go buy the Porsche" comments go as far back as 2000 when I came to the brand.

If you can buy a CSL, you can likely afford to buy a used 991 GT3 or a new non-GT/non-TT/S 992 despite the inflated used car prices and/or new car ADM's. So what's the hold up?!?? All of these people should have Porsches by now.


P.S. No new 992 GT3 is "$180k"…..

Lol. How's the wait for allocation a cop out? Get me an allocation, I'll put down a deposit.

I can't speak to what people were saying in 2000, I'm replying to your comment about the '22/'23 GT3 vs GTS/S vs M4 CSL

I agree if you're shopping CSL you can afford a GT3. But why would the choice be used GT3 vs new M4 CSL??

I attached my GT3 build. It's <$180k

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

Lol. How's the wait for allocation a cop out? Get me an allocation, I'll put down a deposit.

I can't speak to what people were saying in 2000, I'm replying to your comment about the '22/'23 GT3 vs GTS/S vs M4 CSL

I agree if you're shopping CSL you can afford a GT3. But why would the choice be used GT3 vs new M4 CSL??

I attached my GT3 build. It's <$180k

My comment was generalized, not directed at you. There are allocations out there……but not at MSRP (…except under some uber-compelling circumstance). In fact, I can point you to at least three dealerships in California who will sell you a GT3 off the showroom floor right now if you will put your money where your mouth is.

P.S. Come on guy. I'm not referring to the MSRP price of a 992 GT3. I'm talking about the REAL WORLD price of a 992 GT3 (…average price is $275k). You're being purposely obtuse.

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by Wes335XI

We just watched the highly anticipated M4 CSL get spanked lol. If any car ever launches like that at the drag strip, you'll be wondering and asking your buddy the question, "what's wrong?" I would've just turned launch control off and gave that a shot.

Does the CSL only come in an automatic?

This appears to be a typical kind of response on this site, which is weird. I thought that this was a site for like-minded car enthusiasts who love the BMW brand? Instead it appears to be some Porsche-loving site for people who love to p!ss on the chips of BMW fans.

I've had owned both brands and of course, I love Porsches - they are great cars. Of course if I could get a new GT3 over a CSL I would, but that's not an option for me. Is the CSL a car that I would deem worthy of my hard-earned cash? At the moment, it appears that it would definitely meet the brief of what I'm looking for in a car.

No, the CSL is not a Porsche GT3 but I don't expect it to be. I want something that I can enjoy regularly, that will be a pleasure to own and be a lot of fun on track - that brief, I think the BMW will hit in spades.

And if I see a GT3 on track? Remember, it's the driver not the car!

[AlexFL]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My comment was generalized, not directed at you. There are allocations out there……but not at MSRP (…except under some uber-compelling circumstance).

P.S. Come on guy. I'm not referring to the MSRP price of a 992 GT3. I'm talking about the REAL WORLD price of a new GT3. You're being purposely obtuse.

The few people I know who have been lucky enough to get a 992 GT3 had to pay close to 300k.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

The few people I know who have been lucky enough to get a 992 GT3 had to pay close to 300k.

Yep! I know people who have also paid as much as $350k when the 992 GT3 first became available. My hook-up offered me one at $265k. I'm still trying to digest it and see if I can make it work (…assuming I can still get $170k for my C2S with 2k miles on the odometer).

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

This appears to be a typical kind of response on this site, which is weird. I thought that this was a site for like-minded car enthusiasts who love the BMW brand? Instead it appears to be some Porsche-loving site for people who love to p!ss on the chips of BMW fans.

I've had owned both brands and of course, I love Porsches - they are great cars. Of course if I could get a new GT3 over a CSL I would, but that's not an option for me. Is the CSL a car that I would deem worthy of my hard-earned cash? At the moment, it appears that it would definitely meet the brief of what I'm looking for in a car.

No, the CSL is not a Porsche GT3 but I don't expect it to be. I want something that I can enjoy regularly, that will be a pleasure to own and be a lot of fun on track - that brief, I think the BMW will hit in spades.

And if I see a GT3 on track? Remember, it's the driver not the car!

It's more of the latter than it is the former. You have a segment of people here who'll find any reason to be negative about a BMW product, and they'll tout anything as better…….be it a Hyundai or a Porsche.

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It's more of the latter than it is the former. You have a segment of people here who'll find any reason to be negative about a BMW product, and they'll tout anything as better…….be it a Hyundai or a Porsche.

That's depressing! I welcome people having different views but if I hated a car, I'd keep quiet about it with people who have bought one rather than say it's rubbish.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by HudsonHornett

That's depressing! I welcome people having different views but if I hated a car, I'd keep quiet about it with people who have bought one rather than say it's rubbish.

I would go a step further and add that if I hated a car, I wouldn't post in the forum(s). It's wasted energy from low frequency people.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My comment was generalized, not directed at you. There are allocations out there……but not at MSRP (…except under some uber-compelling circumstance).

P.S. Come on guy. I'm not referring to the MSRP price of a 992 GT3. I'm talking about the REAL WORLD price of a 992 GT3 (…average price is $275k). You're being purposely obtuse.

I'm not your Guy, Pal. Lol.

Not being obtuse, just responding to your post.

If you have money to burn sure you can buy a GT3. You can buy an M4 & a CSL if you want. Are we assuming no ADMs for M4 CSLs?

What's the point you're making? Everyone talks about P cars but never buys one ? We are on a BMW forum, members are going to offer their opinion on every car whether they can afford it or not. People can be driving a Yaris and still have an opinion re M4 or GT3.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by DB_Cooper

I'm not your Guy, Pal. Lol.

Not being obtuse, just responding to your post.

If you have money to burn sure you can buy a GT3. You can buy an M4 & a CSL if you want. Are we assuming no ADMs for M4 CSLs?

What's the point you're making? Everyone talks about P cars but never buys one ? We are on a BMW forum, members are going to offer their opinion on every car whether they can afford it or not. People can be driving a Yaris and still have an opinion re M4 or GT3.

You are absolutely being obtuse posting up MSRP numbers on a 992 GT3. ….when we all know they do not sell for that price.

ADM's on CSL's do not push them into GT3 territory. Not even close! We even have some people on this forum who purchased CSL's at MSRP or with fairly minimal ADM's.

[leylandi]

It's funny to compare this masterpiece with CSL

[Wes335XI]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Quite the comment without any context. Porsche 911's always launch well. After all, the weight is squarely over the rear tires.


….and yes, it's only an automatic.

I just found that quite comical. Anyone that's been to a drag strip and have actually dragged race would. You left out the rest of my response, that was the context. The point was that he couldn't launch the car. It very well could have just been the driver.

I didn't follow the M4 CSL much, but I am surprised it's only in an automatic. I thought it would've been in a manual.

A couple of other folks made it sound like I'm hating on BMW, yet I own 3 of them and tracked one of them? Kind of confused on that one. I love BMW. But I also love Subaru and have nothing against Porsche.