[BMWRacer523]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

For everybody claiming they'd take the Porsche, why are you not driving 991 GT3's, 992 Carrera S' or GTS', etc.? Those are all attainable. It's always interesting how many people are quick to bring up the P-Car but are largely unwilling to actually buy the P-Car.

It's simple, cost.

I have been watching used gt3 sales for a while. There's a graph of sales to price on this page:
https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/911-gt3/

Here's a recent example: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...he-911-gt3-58/

Still $70k over the M3 and that's before I pay 7% sales tax in NJ. Believe me, if I could afford it I would.

[Limegrntaln]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

These results are no surprise when you replace a DCT with a torque converter slush box.

The ZF8HP76 was introduced for a better driving experience. The people that are running the xHP transmission tunes are reporting it's as fast as a DCT.

They're also reporting that the track mode of the xHP tune is actually too aggressive. So, there's that. Listen to the shifting here.

[BMWRacer523]

Originally Posted by Limegrntaln

The ZF8HP76 was introduced for a better driving experience. The people that are running the xHP transmission tunes are reporting it's as fast as a DCT.

The transmission isn't the issue.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BMWRacer523

It's simple, cost.

I have been watching used gt3 sales for a while. There's a graph of sales to price on this page:
https://bringatrailer.com/porsche/911-gt3/

Here's a recent example: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...he-911-gt3-58/

Still $70k over the M3 and that's before I pay 7% sales tax in NJ. Believe me, if I could afford it I would.

Absolutely, which is why people need to chill with the loose talk. For the most part, if the Porsche made economical sense and/or they could afford the price of entry, they'd have one.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Absolutely, which is why people need to chill with the loose talk. For the most part, if the Porsche made economical sense and/or they could afford the price of entry, they'd have one.

I sure would, I'd buy a Porsche over most BMWs. But when you factor cost into the equation, the BMW M models make a compelling alternative to 911s.

Hec, if a Ferrari or Lambo made economic sense or if we could afford the price of entry, we'd buy one of those too.

But for most of us, the price matters, especially if you plan on driving the car more than 5,000 miles/year.

I considered used 911s as well when I bought my G82, but the dated interiors turned me away.

[BMWRacer523]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Absolutely, which is why people need to chill with the loose talk. For the most part, if the Porsche made economical sense and/or they could afford the price of entry, they'd have one.

I think what most people mean by that is that given a viable choice they'd pick the GT3. I'll be the first to admit that I'm a BMW fanboi but I will also readily admit that I will prefer a Porsche GT car. It's just that it doesn't make economic sense for me right now. My current plan is to have the practicality of the M3 + something like a Cayman S for track work.

[edwinm3]

M division died when Albert Biermann left them lol

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by BMWRacer523

I think what most people mean by that is that given a viable choice they'd pick the GT3. I'll be the first to admit that I'm a BMW fanboi but I will also readily admit that I will prefer a Porsche GT car. It's just that it doesn't make economic sense for me right now. My current plan is to have the practicality of the M3 + something like a Cayman S for track work.

I'm talking beyond just this thread. In every ///M thread, the comments about buying a Porsche instead of the ///M car are always littered about……..but rarely does anybody buy the Porsche.

[chris719]

Doing BMW marketing a favor by comparing this watered down CSL to a GT3. Though I guess the drag race wouldn't be very exciting if they compared it to a 911 Turbo.

[M4Ghost]

I hate car wow 4 mins of them just talking and promoting themselves then like 1 min video

[DaWhole9]

This thread is funny. The GT3 would eat ANY BMW production car for lunch on a track. Period. Ring times…M4 CSL is the fastest around the ring at 7:15. Fastest production BMW ever. The new GT3 does it in….6:55. Lol. 20 seconds faster. Thats with less HP and less torque. Better brakes, better handling. And no Xdrive wont help it. And both BMW and GT3 were in the same tires so its an even comparison. If you have never driven a Porsche then you dont know how special they are. I owned a Boxster and a 911 C4. Both phenomenal cars. The engine revs effortlessly to the limiter. Never driven a car that revved so freely. I bounced off the rev limiter frequently because I was waiting to feel the engine to know when to shift but it just revved right to the limiter. Also the steering and handling were telepathic. They are nowhere near as practical and there are absolute gems in the BMW lineup that are amazing overall cars. Just dont put down ana amazing GT3 because its made by Porsche.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by flsupraguy

"4.0 shows its age"???? Seriously? That pesky 4.0 destroys nearly anything on track including higher hp forced induction competition.....

It's the rest of the car that does the job. The NA adds charisma but that's about it.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by chris719

Doing BMW marketing a favor by comparing this watered down CSL to a GT3. Though I guess the drag race wouldn't be very exciting if they compared it to a 911 Turbo.

What do you mean with your last statement? Do you mean you found the GT3 drag race exciting? 😜🤣😜

[Pazzo009]

It's difficult to compete with physics, the engine sitting in the rear axle is a huge advantage to launching...Plus, Porsche engineering is second to none.

[gnx]

Originally Posted by DaWhole9

This thread is funny. The GT3 would eat ANY BMW production car for lunch on a track. Period. Ring times…M4 CSL is the fastest around the ring at 7:15. Fastest production BMW ever. The new GT3 does it in….6:55. Lol. 20 seconds faster. Thats with less HP and less torque. Better brakes, better handling. And no Xdrive wont help it. And both BMW and GT3 were in the same tires so its an even comparison. If you have never driven a Porsche then you dont know how special they are. I owned a Boxster and a 911 C4. Both phenomenal cars. The engine revs effortlessly to the limiter. Never driven a car that revved so freely. I bounced off the rev limiter frequently because I was waiting to feel the engine to know when to shift but it just revved right to the limiter. Also the steering and handling were telepathic. They are nowhere near as practical and there are absolute gems in the BMW lineup that are amazing overall cars. Just dont put down ana amazing GT3 because its made by Porsche.

Team Schirmer, six fifty eight.

[unfoundnemo]

Originally Posted by WAB

GT3 smoked that fat pig at its own game hahahah

it's not a game either of these cars should be playing

[M2COMP]

Everyone is trying to compare M4CSL and GT3 which are fundamentally different cars. It's just a "YouTubers" trend and people seem to fall for it.

[Teutonic]

Right…
Now let’s add the points for proper rear seats and a proper trunk please…

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I'm talking beyond just this thread. In every ///M thread, the comments about buying a Porsche instead of the ///M car are always littered about……..but rarely does anybody buy the Porsche.

The people who bought the Porsche are over on Rennlist, not here.

[HudsonHornett]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

The people who bought the Porsche are over on Rennlist, not here.

^^This 1000%

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by Custom Install

It's like a step back in time to the Fxx drag races we all had to suffer…

I loved how Matt kind of snickered as he acknowledged how silly it was to drag race the CSL.

[SocalBM]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

The people who bought the Porsche are over on Rennlist, not here.

I'll buck that trend. I'm on both sites because I have loved both brands and owned both brands for decades. BMW has let me down lately, however. I wanted the new G80 (and now the G87) to be dailies, but I feel BMW has lost their way. Ugly designs, massive weight gain.

I still hold out hope for a good looking, good driving, small sports sedan from Bavaria.