[M4ord]

Title explains it all.

[FC4]

This crew is making the best car content on the internet right now. I don't even give a shit about Mustangs and I enjoyed that.

[GolfCoyote]

Hagerty has been killing it lately, very Top Gearish quality. Nothing will ever fill that OG Top Gear sized hole in my heart though.

[TxFeatFan]

A very entertaining vid.

[christianb5s4]

Originally Posted by GolfCoyote

Hagerty has been killing it lately, very Top Gearish quality. Nothing will ever fill that OG Top Gear sized hole in my heart though.

Likewise, but there's a silver lining. I give them credit for ending the Grand Tour on a high note versus doing what others have done and limping it along with subpar content.

That and Top Gear is a perfect lesson where the chemistry and people make the show.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by M4ord

Title explains it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB8rZBuciC8

Good post, solid review... Hopefully, BMW sees it and responds appropriately.

[mirob]

Cammisa is an Icon.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Good post, solid review... Hopefully, BMW sees it and responds appropriately.

What would BMW need to respond with though? The Dark Horse was on a Trofeo RS tire and the M4 a Michelin 4S (the Trofeo RS is even better than a Cup2R) and yet the M4 was only 1 tenth behind on track. Even those out and the M4 would be significantly faster. They are much closer in pricepoint now, and the M4 has been out for several years and still remains the benchmark for the segment by some margin. That's my take anyway...and I do think the DH is a great car.

[Needsdecaf]

Is that Frozen Sakhir Orange?

[MJBO]

An epic presentation as always.

I’ve wanted one of those Dark Horses since they were announced, this film has made that desire even stronger.

[Needsdecaf]

I really want to hear about what this car is like on regular PZero's or 4S's.

[GolfCoyote]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I really want to hear about what this car is like on regular PZero's or 4S's.

Ya it sucks when reviewers compare cars on different tires

[FC4]

Originally Posted by GolfCoyote

Ya it sucks when reviewers compare cars on different tires

Yeah...because fitting every singe car in every test with the exact same tire is a totally reasonable idea.

[GolfCoyote]

Originally Posted by FC4

Yeah...because fitting every singe car in every test with the exact same tire is a totally reasonable idea.

If you’re comparing lap times, then yes, yes it is.

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by FC4

Yeah...because fitting every singe car in every test with the exact same tire is a totally reasonable idea.

Or at least one in the same category.

In my case, I wasn't so much commenting on this particular head to head, moreso to see how much of this car is reliant on the super grippy tires vs. how much inherent grip is baked into the chassis.

Originally Posted by GolfCoyote

If you’re comparing lap times, then yes, yes it is.

They do what they can. Manufacturer is always going to send a car on the cheater tires if they are sold as such. But kudos to Jason and team for pointing it out. The best they can do.

[mirob]

I like the DH. However, I feel like JC is overplaying the whole bespoke chassis idea in this instance. What's the actual benefit since it clearly isn't weight advantage. Is it handling? A GT or DH are as heavy as an M4C (on a shared chassis) with xDrive. Albeit, I'm not sure if the M4C in this test was xDrive or not.

[Hit_Apex]

I'd really like to drive one on track - and with the Corsas. That's about the extent of my curiosity. Same with the GTD.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by mirob

I like the DH. However, I feel like JC is overplaying the whole bespoke chassis idea in this instance. What's the actual benefit since it clearly isn't weight advantage. Is it handling? A GT or DH are as heavy as an M4C (on a shared chassis) with xDrive. Albeit, I'm not sure if the M4C in this test was xDrive or not.

I believe it was RWD and that would make more sense. The Dark Horse is actually heavier, weighing in at 3,925 lbs whereas even the M4 Comp Xdrive is 3,904 (C&D review) and the M4 Comp RWD was weighed at 3,880 (TheDrive review)

[GolfCoyote]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

They do what they can. Manufacturer is always going to send a car on the cheater tires if they are sold as such. But kudos to Jason and team for pointing it out. The best they can do.

Oh I dont disagree, it was a good video and a decent review. I just dont take much stock in lap times when the purpose of the video is to compare the cars, not the tires they came with.

[/ / / M3]

Originally Posted by Needsdecaf

I really want to hear about what this car is like on regular PZero's or 4S's.

It would also be interesting to see what would happen if they drove the Mustang for more than one lap. My guess is that the engine and/or transmission would overheat shortly thereafter.

[FC4]

Originally Posted by / / / M3

It would also be interesting to see what would happen if the drove the Mustang for more than one lap. My guess is that the engine and/or transmission would overheat shortly thereafter.

Just so we're clear, you're saying that you think a naturally aspirated manually-shifted car is more likely to overheat on a track than a twin-turbocharged car with a torque converter auto?

LOL. Sure.

[/ / / M3]

Originally Posted by FC4

Just so we're clear, you're saying that you think a naturally aspirated manually-shifted car is more likely to overheat on a track than a twin-turbocharged car with a torque converter auto?

LOL. Sure.

Sure. Just ask the people who own these "naturally aspirated manually shifted cars".

https://www.mustang7g.com/forums/thr...plenty.158327/

Ford is not exactly known for building road cars that you can take straight to the track. Even the GT350 was known for having overheating issues.