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      11-25-2022, 07:37 PM   #23
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I hope one of these ends up in the hands of a modding company that will scan it and sell a conversion kit. Even if the kit costs $50k you'd have a 3.0 CSL for 130k which is what I would pay for one of these from BMW.
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It's sad that no one will drive these cars. Oh, sure, they'll be driven a bit, but in 10 years when they start showing up at auction, they'll have 500 miles (800 kilometers). No doubt a true investment piece.
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It's sad that no one will drive these cars. Oh, sure, they'll be driven a bit, but in 10 years when they start showing up at auction, they'll have 500 miles (800 kilometers). No doubt a true investment piece.
That's not entirely true; the test drivers did thousands of miles during development. In a way, they must be the luckiest BMW-lovers on Earth

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I highly doubt this car will be 750k, the bespoke hommage concept if they had produced it may have been that sort of money.
This tarted up M4 CSL that they have produced instead I would expect to be in the (US$) 250k region.
Sure makes the M4 CSL look like a bargain now.
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I highly doubt this car will be 750k, the bespoke hommage concept if they had produced it may have been that sort of money.
This tarted up M4 CSL that they have produced instead I would expect to be in the (US$) 250k region.
Sure makes the M4 CSL look like a bargain now.
Concept cars usually cost some millions as everything basically just exists one time…

After checking some details, I can believe that the car costs somewhere in that range.

For example, painting requires a special process, which requires 134 paint cycles and 6,700 manual work sequences per vehicle as everything is painted, there is no warp.
All the CFRP parts are manufactured by hand in Dingolfing plant and each vehicle goes through eight assembly cycles in a complex process that takes up to 10 days.

So in the end the amount of work drives the prices, not how special or not the car may look to some
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I highly doubt this car will be 750k, the bespoke hommage concept if they had produced it may have been that sort of money.
This tarted up M4 CSL that they have produced instead I would expect to be in the (US$) 250k region.
Sure makes the M4 CSL look like a bargain now.
Concept cars usually cost some millions as everything basically just exists one time…

After checking some details, I can believe that the car costs somewhere in that range.

For example, painting requires a special process, which requires 134 paint cycles and 6,700 manual work sequences per vehicle as everything is painted, there is no warp.
All the CFRP parts are manufactured by hand in Dingolfing plant and each vehicle goes through eight assembly cycles in a complex process that takes up to 10 days.

So in the end the amount of work drives the prices, not how special or not the car may look to some
Yes I read the marketing blurb also, that you just recited word for word.
As I said they did NOT produce the hommage concept car, instead this is just a tarted up M4 parts bin special with some bespoke carbon panels & a flash paint job. No matter how much time & work the marketing team wish to say it took, there is absolutely no way this is a 750k car.
If you can't tell the difference you need to take a look at what they have actually produced as opposed to what they proposed.
We are talking 2 completely different cars here & it's surprising that so many are so ignorant that you can't see the difference (actually given the caliber of some of the fanboys on this site it's not really that surprising)
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I highly doubt this car will be 750k, the bespoke hommage concept if they had produced it may have been that sort of money.
This tarted up M4 CSL that they have produced instead I would expect to be in the (US$) 250k region.
Sure makes the M4 CSL look like a bargain now.
Concept cars usually cost some millions as everything basically just exists one time…

After checking some details, I can believe that the car costs somewhere in that range.

For example, painting requires a special process, which requires 134 paint cycles and 6,700 manual work sequences per vehicle as everything is painted, there is no warp.
All the CFRP parts are manufactured by hand in Dingolfing plant and each vehicle goes through eight assembly cycles in a complex process that takes up to 10 days.

So in the end the amount of work drives the prices, not how special or not the car may look to some
Yes I read the marketing blurb too that you just recited word for word.
As I said they did NOT produce the hommage concept car, instead this is just a tarted up M4 parts bin special with some bespoke carbon panels & a paint job.
If you can't tell the difference you need to forget the marketing crap & take a look at what they have actually produced as opposed to what they proposed.
We are talking 2 completely different cars here & it's surprising that so many are so ignorant that you can't tell the difference.
This is NOT a $750k car.
Maybe you should grow up and don't call people ignorant that try to give you some hints why a car may cost more than it's worth to you personally.
Just because it's based on an existing car, you don't seem to know what drives prices of cars…and did I say it's 750k, no, but in a range that is way higher than your M4 with a bodykit thinking.

Are special edition Bugattis worth the sometimes 2-3 money than a normal one? They are basically the same car, but limited and have a different color, some paint stripes and that's it. And yet people buy them.

More than 50% or even more of the price of this car i solely because it's limited to 50 pieces an therefore rare…or you think the M4 CSL is worth double the price of a normal M4 just because of the few modifications? Manufacturers price their cars based on the efforts they have to build them and R&D they put into it. Or you think BMW is doing the additional work for free?

Based on your logic, you could order this car now, but funny enough, all are sold, so for those 50 people the car is worth the extra money, be it 300k, 500k or the rumored 750k
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I highly doubt this car will be 750k, the bespoke hommage concept if they had produced it may have been that sort of money.
This tarted up M4 CSL that they have produced instead I would expect to be in the (US$) 250k region.
Sure makes the M4 CSL look like a bargain now.
Concept cars usually cost some millions as everything basically just exists one time…

After checking some details, I can believe that the car costs somewhere in that range.

For example, painting requires a special process, which requires 134 paint cycles and 6,700 manual work sequences per vehicle as everything is painted, there is no warp.
All the CFRP parts are manufactured by hand in Dingolfing plant and each vehicle goes through eight assembly cycles in a complex process that takes up to 10 days.

So in the end the amount of work drives the prices, not how special or not the car may look to some
Yes I read the marketing blurb too that you just recited word for word.
As I said they did NOT produce the hommage concept car, instead this is just a tarted up M4 parts bin special with some bespoke carbon panels & a paint job.
If you can't tell the difference you need to forget the marketing crap & take a look at what they have actually produced as opposed to what they proposed.
We are talking 2 completely different cars here & it's surprising that so many are so ignorant that you can't tell the difference.
This is NOT a $750k car.
Maybe you should grow up and don't call people ignorant that try to give you some hints why a car may cost more than it's worth to you personally.
Just because it's based on an existing car, you don't seem to know what drives prices of cars…and did I say it's 750k, no, but in a range that is way higher than your M4 with a bodykit thinking.

Are special edition Bugattis worth the sometimes 2-3 money than a normal one? They are basically the same car, but limited and have a different color, some paint stripes and that's it. And yet people buy them.

More than 50% or even more of the price of this car i solely because it's limited to 50 pieces an therefore rare…or you think the M4 CSL is worth double the price of a normal M4 just because of the few modifications? Manufacturers price their cars based on the efforts they have to build them and R&D they put into it. Or you think BMW is doing the additional work for free?

Based on your logic, you could order this car now, but funny enough, all are sold, so for those 50 people the car is worth the extra money, be it 300k, 500k or the rumored 750k
Firstly I don't need "hints" as to the cost from some genius that simply recites the press release we've all seen already, if you don't have an original thought to contribute spare me the rhetoric.

Let's take a look at the facts of what this car actually is (forget the marketing bullshit that you fanboys buy into so readily).
It's an M4 CSL with a manual tranny, some carbon fibre paneling, bespoke front & rear bumpers, centre lock hubs, & a hand done paint job . That's basically it !

Just because some moron is stupid enough to pay whatever asking price doesn't make it any more special.

As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically what it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).

My point that seems to have gone over your head is this tarted up M4 is nothing like the bespoke hommage supercar BMW were marketing ! What happened to that car ? That would have been worthy of the 50 years celebration. This car is far from that.
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I believe it makes no sense trying to judge this car based on it's specs and looks. The price is totally not motivated by anything you can see or feel. And of course a much cheaper Porsche Turbo S or a Ferrari 296GTB are superior driving machines in so many ways.

This is an extremely limited run for investors and millionaires that want to connect the present and the past. That there will be 0,25 of these cars for every country on this planet builds the entire investors case. Not the way it drives or how it looks nor the hours of detailing or assembly that went into it.
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I believe it makes no sense trying to judge this car based on it's specs and looks. The price is totally not motivated by anything you can see or feel. And of course a much cheaper Porsche Turbo S or a Ferrari 296GTB are superior driving machines in so many ways.

This is an extremely limited run for investors and millionaires that want to connect the present and the past. That there will be 0,25 of these cars for every country on this planet builds the entire investors case. Not the way it drives or how it looks nor the hours of detailing or assembly that went into it.
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Maybe you should grow up and don't call people ignorant that try to give you some hints why a car may cost more than it's worth to you personally.
Just because it's based on an existing car, you don't seem to know what drives prices of cars…and did I say it's 750k, no, but in a range that is way higher than your M4 with a bodykit thinking.

Are special edition Bugattis worth the sometimes 2-3 money than a normal one? They are basically the same car, but limited and have a different color, some paint stripes and that's it. And yet people buy them.

More than 50% or even more of the price of this car i solely because it's limited to 50 pieces an therefore rare…or you think the M4 CSL is worth double the price of a normal M4 just because of the few modifications? Manufacturers price their cars based on the efforts they have to build them and R&D they put into it. Or you think BMW is doing the additional work for free?

Based on your logic, you could order this car now, but funny enough, all are sold, so for those 50 people the car is worth the extra money, be it 300k, 500k or the rumored 750k
Dr.Deep

You might as well be talking to a chimp; there is no point wasting oxygen on this.

I mean, the fish will never know the water is wet, unless it gets out of the water. Sadly, the fish you're dealing with here will never get out of the fishbowl to realise what goes on in the real world

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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts.
This is NOT that car.
Its still just a tarted up M4 no matter what someone pays & that's the disappointing part.

Forget about the money, I wanted to see the homage 'supercar' BMW were supposedly building, not this half hearted thing.
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts. How much actually is it ?
Ah, you are one of those "fake news" guys. Ok, got it.
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts. How much actually is it ?
Ah, you are one of those "fake news" guys. Ok, got it.
Ah, so your one of those "gullible uneducated fools that believes every rumor he hears & simply reiterates it as he can't think for himself" guys. OK, got it.
Can we get back to the car now
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts. How much actually is it ?
Ah, you are one of those "fake news" guys. Ok, got it.
Ah, so your one of those gullible uneducated fools that believes every rumor he hears & simply re states it as he can't think for himself guys, OK, got it.
If you want to carry on with that type of shit instead of talking about the car (which is what matters here) I can play that pathetic game too.


All this because the car didn't meet YOUR expectations of what it should have been or what it should cost.

Just admit the car isn't for you, you can't afford it, and move on.
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Let me agree here, disappointment. Not only in the U.S.
In a nutshell, most BMW people here in Western Europe say: "There was a lack of courage. A unique BMW à la M1 would have been applauded, no matter what it's availability was."
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts. How much actually is it ?
Ah, you are one of those "fake news" guys. Ok, got it.
Ah, so your one of those gullible uneducated fools that believes every rumor he hears & simply re states it as he can't think for himself guys, OK, got it.
If you want to carry on with that type of shit instead of talking about the car (which is what matters here) I can play that pathetic game too.


All this because the car didn't meet YOUR expectations of what it should have been or what it should cost.

Just admit the car isn't for you, you can't afford it, and move on.
Actually no, the car doesn't meet BMW' expectations as to what they were going to build.

No I can't afford it (is that meant to be an insult? If so can you?). Nobody cares. We are here to talk about the car !

I'm disappointed that BMW didn't build what they marketed as are many others.

Why fanboys like you feel the need to defend a car company so steadfastly that doesn't give a shit what you or I think is beyond me.
I thought this was a car forum not bloody Facebook.
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As I said & continue to stand by, this is NOT a 750k car, I bet it sells for more like 250k, which is basically all it's worth (& that's simply due to the labor costs).
It's been reported by many different sources to be €750k and BMW has also confirmed that all 50 allocations are already sold and spoken for.
So what ! I've read that too. How about some facts. How much actually is it ?
Ah, you are one of those "fake news" guys. Ok, got it.
Ah, so your one of those gullible uneducated fools that believes every rumor he hears & simply re states it as he can't think for himself guys, OK, got it.
If you want to carry on with that type of shit instead of talking about the car (which is what matters here) I can play that pathetic game too.


All this because the car didn't meet YOUR expectations of what it should have been or what it should cost.

Just admit the car isn't for you, you can't afford it, and move on.
Actually no, the car doesn't meet BMW' expectations as to what they were going to build.
No I can't afford it (is that meant to be an insult? If so can you ?).
Yes the car obviously is not for me & never was, who cares? it's not about me, it's about the car.
I'm disappointed that BMW didn't build what they said they would as are many others.
Why fanboys like you feel the need to defend a car company that doesn't give a shit what you or I think is beyond me.
I thought this was a car forum not bloody Facebook.
Point us to the press release from BMW that said what they were going to build as a part of the 50th anniversary and then didn't meet those same expectations.

Concepts are just that, concepts. It doesn't mean that the final product will be the exact same thing. We'll never know the specifics as to why certain parts or designs from the concept didn't make it to this final version but I don't recall BMW ever outlining which of those would and then failed to deliver. Again, it's just some people like yourself built up it up in your minds to be something specific and you likely were never going to be happy with it, regardless what they released.

I like it for what it is and for what they are trying to do in tying the old and the new together. If I had the means to buy one I would as it will be a piece of BMW history, but I'll never have the means or the opportunity, and I'm ok with that.
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Let me agree here, disappointment. Not only in the U.S.
In a nutshell, most BMW people here in Western Europe say: "There was a lack of courage. A unique BMW à la M1 would have been applauded, no matter what it's availability was."
I agree, a missed opportunity.
All the hype & this is what they come up with ?.
Hoped for better for BMW.
According to the below thread in the "news" many many others agree also.

"Introducing BMW 3.0 CSL - the most exclusive special model"
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