[SteveinArizona]

Interesting to me. Car & Driver says Caddie is way better; Motor Trend says BMW is way better. hummh...................

[Gfit]

Here is the link to the article

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...view/?aps=XXXX

[Germanauto]

Ringing endorsement for the M3, well-deserved. I've seen praise for the G8X but not to this degree, specifically the steering.

[Topcarbon]

Originally Posted by SteveinArizona

Interesting to me. Car & Driver says Caddie is way better; Motor Trend says BMW is way better. hummh...................

All goes back to who paid more for the review

[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Ringing endorsement for the M3, well-deserved. I've seen praise for the G8X but not to this degree, specifically the steering.

I'm approaching 1,000 miles on my G80, and I'm thinking it's the best steering BMW since the E46. Light but precise, and it tracks down the road straight as an arrow. Very confident and comfortable cruiser. I think it's better than my E90 M3, as well as the two F22 2 Series we've owned. I think in terms of driving dynamics BMW has found its way again.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

I'm approaching 1,000 miles on my G80, and I'm thinking it's the best steering BMW since the E46. Light but precise, and it tracks down the road straight as an arrow. Very confident and comfortable cruiser. I think it's better than my E90 M3, as well as the two F22 2 Series we've owned. I think in terms of driving dynamics BMW has found its way again.

My E90 spoiled me and got me hooked on heavier and tighter steering. A family member's Macan S which I drive frequently reminds me of the E90's. But with my Alfa I've seen there is benefit to a lighter and quicker setup. I'm curious to see how I like the G80's, still have yet to drive it.

[LTJohn]

The Blackwing has a better chassis, but my experience with GMs makes me have cold, cold feet. Then again, you can get one for $59K with a manual...softens the blow when the leather seats peel and the door cards fall off.

[Tyga11]

"It's quite rough to look at"

Why does every magazine & lame YouTuber say the same exact thing? Oh, I know the answer. Group Think.

Everyone here is a VISIONARY. I guarantee you the average IQ for a G8X owner is over 120

[Flying05]

Originally Posted by midlifecrisis

I'm approaching 1,000 miles on my G80, and I'm thinking it's the best steering BMW since the E46. Light but precise, and it tracks down the road straight as an arrow. Very confident and comfortable cruiser. I think it's better than my E90 M3, as well as the two F22 2 Series we've owned. I think in terms of driving dynamics BMW has found its way again.

I don't remember what my e46 drove like other than I loved the car. The one thing that is not my favorite about the g80 is the electronic steering. I might notice this more since I came from a 911. Other than that, this car is great and enjoy it more and more the longer I have it.

[modat]

Who would have though different people have different opinions

[BGM-M3COMP]

Originally Posted by Flying05

I don't remember what my e46 drove like other than I loved the car. The one thing that is not my favorite about the g80 is the electronic steering. I might notice this more since I came from a 911. Other than that, this car is great and enjoy it more and more the longer I have it.

I feel the same way. I thought i was the only one. There is a vague, numbness to the steering i don't usually feel with other cars with electronic steering. My C7Z has electronic steering and even with higher mileage, my steering doesn't feel the same way i get in the M3. Not sure it's a fault or what. Didn't what's your forte have a steering issue?

I am liking the M3 more and more as the weeks pile on. If the rest of this generation keeps the S58 i'll probably lease or finance another one once this lease is over. It's a great car.

[Indo Rider]

Ummm, but the caddy is basically impossible (more impossible) to get, so...

The world is so fucked these days.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Flying05

I don't remember what my e46 drove like other than I loved the car. The one thing that is not my favorite about the g80 is the electronic steering. I might notice this more since I came from a 911. Other than that, this car is great and enjoy it more and more the longer I have it.

I notice it as well coming from 911s and having a 718 GT4. Porsche has done with electric steering what no one else can do in making it feel like hydraulic. No offense, but it's electric steering is better than BMW could ever get out of hydraulic (which BMW was not really ever that great in this category).

[Flying05]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I notice it as well coming from 911s and having a 718 GT4. Porsche has done with electric steering what no one else can do in making it feel like hydraulic. No offense, but it's electric steering is better than BMW could ever get out of hydraulic (which BMW was not really ever that great in this category).

Could you imagine if it was close to the same as the 911? Damn! And to add to that, I had a 2018 Panamera 4s for about 3 months until I determined that it was just too big, but it drove like it was half the size with great steering. Porsche does a great job in this department. But every brand/car as it's own set of pros and cons.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by HeelToeShift

I notice it as well coming from 911s and having a 718 GT4. Porsche has done with electric steering what no one else can do in making it feel like hydraulic. No offense, but it's electric steering is better than BMW could ever get out of hydraulic (which BMW was not really ever that great in this category).

Porsche's EPS is definitely the closest feeling to hydraulic in the industry. I kind of agree with your last point, kind of don't. I really loved BMW's hydraulic steering, it was so so satisfying IMO. I think your point reigns true for Porsche's sports cars but debatable for the remainder of their portfolio.

[akkando]

I find it odd they would feel like the ct4-v was a better driving car than the base g8x, but the AWD g8x to be a better driving car than both. As I understand it the driving dynamics are pretty close between all versions of the g8x with the big difference being power from base to comp model. The AWD is so rear biased most reviews seem to indicate it drives for the most part like the rwd comp.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by akkando

I find it odd they would feel like the ct4-v was a better driving car than the base g8x, but the AWD g8x to be a better driving car than both

The CT4 is using latest generation of MagneRide dampers and BMW is still rocking some active suspension technology that they first introduced in the 1996 MY 7 Series.

The difference is night and day in how they operate and the results. BMW active dampers can really only alternate from really hard to soft, per wheel, with no nuance in-between but with MagneRide suspension, the softest to stiffest settings, there's an infinite amount of variability, per wheel.

MagneRide allows the tires to maintain contact with the road over a wider range of conditions than conventional active dampers would. Hence, in a nutshell, they perform better than the BMW offering and is what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Range Rover, ect, currently uses on their vehicles.


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[midlifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Flying05

I don't remember what my e46 drove like other than I loved the car. The one thing that is not my favorite about the g80 is the electronic steering. I might notice this more since I came from a 911. Other than that, this car is great and enjoy it more and more the longer I have it.

I still have an E46 M3, and the steering has a heft and precision that I really like. I haven't driven an E90 M3 since selling mine years ago, but the G80 is significantly better than recent models I've driven - including F22 235i and 230i X-drive. It's closer to the E46 than any of those models. I can't personally compare to the Porsche, but I like the G80 steering better than the Miata RF I just sold - and that car has received praise for its dynamics.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The CT4 is using latest generation of MagneRide dampers and BMW is still rocking some active suspension technology that they first introduced in the 1996 MY 7 Series.

The difference is night and day in how they operate and the results. BMW active dampers can really only alternate from really hard to soft, per wheel, with no nuance in-between but with MagneRide suspension, the softest to stiffest settings, there's an infinite amount of variability, per wheel.

MagneRide allows the tires to maintain contact with the road over a wider range of conditions than conventional active dampers would. Hence, in a nutshell, they perform better than the BMW offering and is what Ferrari, Lamborghini, Range Rover, ect, currently uses on their vehicles.


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Sure but all the g8x models have the same suspension tech, so again, what's their justification for claiming the Blackwing drives better than the base g8x but the AWD g8x comp drives better than the Blackwing? Most say the all three iterations of the g8x drive pretty much the same.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by akkando

Sure but all the g8x models have the same suspension tech, so again, what's their justification for claiming the Blackwing drives better than the base g8x but the AWD g8x comp drives better than the Blackwing? Most say the all three iterations of the g8x drive pretty much the same.

Yea that is perplexing because like you said, all G8Xs have the same suspension and should all perform all the same, except the AWD version has a diff in the back and front to modulate torque..

Maybe they are mincing their words and implying the AWD G8X comp has better traction than the RWD CT4 and is conflating that with overall handling.

[HeelToeShift]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Porsche's EPS is definitely the closest feeling to hydraulic in the industry. I kind of agree with your last point, kind of don't. I really loved BMW's hydraulic steering, it was so so satisfying IMO. I think your point reigns true for Porsche's sports cars but debatable for the remainder of their portfolio.

Porsche really leads the industry when it comes to many of these things - electric steer, transmissions, e/LSD, rear axel steering, etc.
I don't agree though, as the Panamera, Macans, etc. all have very good steering feel that is much better than any competitor. A base Panamera 4 IMO has much better steering feel than my 2019 M5 Comp did, and a GTS another few notches above. Even my Macan GTS had better steering feel than my M5 or my G80 does. I hate to say it while the G80 is good, it's still not Porsche level by any stretch.

[NightWriter]

I wouldn't worry too much about reconciling the demerits they reference about the Base versus the superlatives they are now heaping upon the X-Drive. Different days, different cars, different drivers, different roads. It's like how some reviewers have said that the 6MT is more engaging and fun, yet others have said the 8AT is better suited for this engine. Everyone's going to have their own opinion.

(Personally, I'm glad that Cadillac is making the Blackwings -- even if they're even harder to find than the G8X's -- since this is a rapidly dying market niche. I'm not looking forward to pissing contests about whose electric motor is quieter or whose batteries have better thermal management. I'm getting bored and sad just thinking about it.)