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It will likely be more about which features the infotainment system has. New generations new priorities.
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Exactly. While I know everyone loves the 'thick' bmw steering wheels (and they are nice!), this also exacerbates the lack of steering feel. Porsche again, gets the wheel thickness spot on. Not too thick, not too thin - just right. I have not had a BMW M car since 2016 when I sold my f82 M4. BMW makes a very good car, but owning both at the same time really solidifies why Porsches cost more. No detail, big or small, is left without massive consideration for how it is implemented and functions.
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Yeah the girthy ass steering wheel in these cars aren't good at all lol
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They are both great cars, I cross shopped both before getting my M4. It really comes down to personal preference.
Current wait for a CT4/5 BW order is about 8-10 months. I'm a GM performance car fan (previously owned a manual CTS V Wagon, Camaro ZL1, a few other modified f-body's and a corvette in the past). I was very interested in the CT4 and CT5 BWs when they first launched. Reason I went with the M4: 1 - Preferred the M4 exterior styling and aggressiveness. (especially in BSM) The CT5 V just looks awkward to me styling wise. The CT4 was better but was smaller and the engine is a bit of a let down 2 - Much prefer the S58 over the TT V6 in the BW. (More performance and tuning potential for when the warranty runs out) 3 - Interior fit and finish was nicer. (BW is still very good though). Infotainment also better in the M4 4 - Wheel options on the BMW are way better. Even the winter wheel setup from BMW looks amazing 5 - More comfortable seating and driving position The plus side for the BW cars are that amazing TR6060 transmission. It's bulletproof and has incredible shift feel. The MagneRide suspension is also a plus for the BWs. Both cars are incredible and were really were the only options available given I wanted a manual. (Carrera S was more than I was willing to spend)
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The hydraulic system is simulating the manual system on cars in the long gone past. A lot has fallen between the cracks manual to hydraulic to electric. My manual steering sport car feels nothing like my hydraulic or electric versions. FWIW when the hydraulic systems first came in they were not all that well received by sports car people. Lots of road feel lost etc, sound familiar? My own experiences started to change with my manual steering '67 StingRay had a shock absorber attached to the steering arms to reduce road induced vibrations. Its been all downhill on road feel since then. So now you just have to drive within what the car gives you & not worry about what it does not.
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I’m in the same boat - still in my E90 335 and looking for something that offers at least a semblance of what I’m used to now for steering feel. What have you found as suitable alternatives? I haven’t driven a G80 so not sure how that compares at all or any of the competitors including a macan gts. Too hard to find any inventory around here at the moment.
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Feel is pretty hard to define unless you can drive with the other person & switch seats to both have the same experience. Can you take a shot & tell me what the difference is that you experience? What would you like to feel in the steering wheel?
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In my E90, it’s nicely and seeming naturally weighted and doesn’t feel artificially weighted - I’ve driven some cars where there seems to be a forced electronic resistance to give the feeing of weight. More importantly though, I feel like I can really sense the footprint of what the front wheels/tires are doing. It sounds cliche but I feel like there is a communication there that lets my hands know the movement of the tires - bumps, sliding, resistance in a turn, even the nuances of going slow through a Parking lot where the surface varies and has no uniformity I can detect exactly when I go from asphalt to loose gravel or just cracks. It could just be it’s what I’m used to and again, I can see how this would be very subjective to my own interpretation. To be clear, I’m by no means saying my car has the best steering, it’s more of just that I like it, I am used to it, and want to know what others who have had similar experiences/ thoughts would use as a good baseline for comparison so that I can include those cars in my shopping. Thanks all! |
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No your post is just what I was looking for. I was not looking for mine is better than yours type thing just what you feel in the wheel.
Been reading about the vague numb steering charge against BMW even when they had hydraulics. Am looking for what that means as I find the car goes where I want it to go & think I am missing or not understanding something. I had a chance in Raleigh to AutoX a G series M440 at a BMW event as part of its release marketing program. Thought it ran pretty good although it felt pretty big to me. Was a long tight course to keep the speeds down. I like a medium to heavy weight in the wheel because my Cobra runs 275 NITTO NT-01's on the front with no power steering so its naturally to the heavy side when its in slower ranges especially on the street. I drive it as much as I can for the past 8 years so its something I am used to. In SC with a M440 I believe I had a sense of what the front tires were doing, although some in my class did not. I found they gave a definite vibration in your hands through the steering wheel as they started to lose traction and slide to the outside into understeer. Was no I can feel a twig under the wheel thing but the warning was clearly there & you could use it to control the car. Thanks for your comments
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I buy what I like & really don't care what others think. Will admit I thought the look sucked till I saw one in person. Just fits what the car is very well.
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You guys just kind of glossed over this paragraph in the article:
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Matt Farah once reviewed an M2C and came away unimpressed with the car entirely. There were two issues with his video. First, the orange M2C press car had been documented to have issues and it wasn't clear if it had been fixed for Matt. Second, he drove it IMMEDIATELY after driving a Lotus and complained about overall feel compared to the Lotus. But, on this particular article...a "mid-grade M440i"? That's just exaggeration and not good journalism. Leaving out that the M3/440i are not anywhere near as competent (chassis-wise) as the M3/M4's are, there is no mid-grade of the M440i. It would have been a functional statement if he'd said "a M440i, which is just the mid-grade version of the 4-Series". Or something. Anyway, hyperbole to mask personal preference isn't a review. It's an opinion. Accuracy left the building at that point. The CT4-V BW may be a better drivers' car, or it may not. Not enough people have done good enough on-the-same-day reviews. As driver's cars, I'd bet that any of us would be happy with either one and that the real difference between them is use-case and if you need to put anyone in the back seat regularly. And which nose you like better. |
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Isn't that the exact same criteria they used to pick the winner though? Information free hyperbole? Im not in anyway bashing you, I agree 100% with your final paragraph about use-case and not having enough points of comparison.
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As readers of reviews, we need to hold them to some standards, I think. This wasn't WELL DONE hyperbole is my main issue with it. :-) ...I like my hyperbole well done, not pink in the middle... |
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