[John4C]

Oh and based on this thread I decided I'm either going to make:

19x9.5 ET 5 front / 19x9.5 ET -5 rear to use the Alpin5 in 275/35/19 all around

Or

20x8.5 ET -7 front / 20x8.5 ET -17 rear to use 245/35/20 (which seems to be a super common and cheap size) Alpin5 for my winters.

Paying 2500 for tires is crazy. I can do the forged wheels under 2k, so just by getting the right size where tires actually exist I'll be under 3,500 for a complete set of winters + readily available tires.

Chasing the ghost of a winter tire that'll work on stock wheels was exhausting (I was already making wheels for summers so screw it, lol).

Idk I will decide in the next couple days but I give up trying to find a winter tire that works for the factory wheels. Frankly, I am leaning towards the 245/35/20 because that tire size seems super common (and cheap).

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by John4C

As someone who ships internationally a lot, you're wrong. The only thing that matters is volumetric weight. Anytime DHL (or anyone) asks you for weight and package size they're charging you for the greater of the two between volumetric weight and actual weight (actual weight if greater than volumetric weight vice versa if volumetric weight is greater).

Unless a wheel is really heavy, the volumetric weight is larger. The wheel would have to be obnoxiously heavy tbh for volumetric weight to not be used.


Example:
A wheel - 19x9.5 is probably a box roughly
56x56x33 cm, which translated to 17kg in volumetric weight (no wheel weights 17kg so you get how this works) Also, this isn't a guess because I ship 19x9.5 wheels, lol.


Now take the tire for the wheel. It's easily more like
67x67x33cm, which is a volumetric weight of 25kg.

But there's more. Oversized is when two smaller
sides * 2 + longer side is >260 cm. The wheel box didn't trigger this but the tire box does, so add another 35-50 per box for that.

Bottom line, shipping the tire is much more expensive. There's a lot that goes into international freight beyond the weight of the box (frankly the actual weight rarely matters at all).

So yeah, hence why I said no shame directed at Paddleshifterz at all. They're not marking that up. My guess is they can't do the economy because the box is oversized. That's the reality of shipping large items around the world.

Well, ive shipped international too and maybe DHL might work that way, if you look at the Fedex shipping options, it says box dimensions optional. So clearly volumetric weight isnt the only thing that matters here. You can create an international shipment in the fedex site and you dont have to enter the dimensions of the box to get a shipmentt quote. Anyways its still a moot point at im not paying $800 to get 4 tires. Id rather find an allseason tire and not have tomdrive in the snow storm or pay for the pirellis or switch to a round set up with 19 inch tires than pay to ship those michelins. I can find Nokian Hakka 275/35/19 and of i just get 4 front 826M rims, it solves the issue. The problem is I had already ordered 827M csl staggered rims and have to go with the staggered setup. Since its not my daily, id rather just go with Michelin Pilot AS which are readily available. To each its own !!!

[M3GALLY]

[GoodGuyAvi]

Originally Posted by M3GALLY

Came yesterday! Got my tpms and 826m in jet black as well! Now last thing I'm deciding if I want black trim roundels for the rims from ind

4-8 weeks to wait.
I still waiting my roundels for my hood and trunk.... and I forgot when I ordered them.

[Spiewakov]

Originally Posted by John4C

Oh and based on this thread I decided I'm either going to make:

19x9.5 ET 5 front / 19x9.5 ET -5 rear to use the Alpin5 in 275/35/19 all around

Or

20x8.5 ET -7 front / 20x8.5 ET -17 rear to use 245/35/20 (which seems to be a super common and cheap size) Alpin5 for my winters.

Paying 2500 for tires is crazy. I can do the forged wheels under 2k, so just by getting the right size where tires actually exist I'll be under 3,500 for a complete set of winters + readily available tires.

Chasing the ghost of a winter tire that'll work on stock wheels was exhausting (I was already making wheels for summers so screw it, lol).

Idk I will decide in the next couple days but I give up trying to find a winter tire that works for the factory wheels. Frankly, I am leaning towards the 245/35/20 because that tire size seems super common (and cheap).

Just curious which wheel brands are you looking at and do they offer the wheels with the tires? Or you have to buy them separately?

[John4C]

Originally Posted by Spiewakov

Just curious which wheel brands are you looking at and do they offer the wheels with the tires? Or you have to buy them separately?

I'll PM you as to not take this thread too far off topic…

[kiw1]

Originally Posted by John4C

Chasing the ghost of a winter tire that'll work on stock wheels was exhausting (I was already making wheels for summers so screw it, lol).

Tell me about it. My 19" 827ms arrived yesterday. PA5s are on their way. Just in time too as we're hitting low 30s here and possibly some storms coming next week.

Will post pics as soon as I recover from COVID lol

[amuk]

Since it's been so hard to source winter tires for the stock 19/20 setup, I'll be running Alpin PA4's 295/30/20 rear and 265/35/19 in the front.

I know this isn't ideal especially with the wider rear tires, but my trusted performance auto shop ran this same setup on their g80 last winter and didn't have any complaints.

I'll let you all know how this works out for me once I get them installed and run them for a couple weeks.

[lepp0012]

Originally Posted by amuk

Since it's been so hard to source winter tires for the stock 19/20 setup, I'll be running Alpin PA4's 295/30/20 rear and 265/35/19 in the front.

I know this isn't ideal especially with the wider rear tires, but my trusted performance auto shop ran this same setup on their g80 last winter and didn't have any complaints.

I'll let you all know how this works out for me once I get them installed and run them for a couple weeks.

I'm doing a similar PA4 setup:

265/35/19 F
285/30/20 R

I actually had the 19s left over from my C63S rears, with limited wear and found a place in Canada that had the 285s. $1100 shipped though for two—ouch!!

[kiw1]

I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to think Michelin don't sell the stock rears in PA5 so BMW USA can sell more winter tires sets 😂

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by kiw1

I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to think Michelin don't sell the stock rears in PA5 so BMW can sell more winter tires sets 😂

They sell them..just not in North America

You can find them all over Europe

[kiw1]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

They sell them..just not in North America

You can find them all over Europe

Yep I'm aware, I was talking about the US market

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by kiw1

Yep I'm aware, I was talking about the US market

Crazy they dont..not like Bmw doesn't partner with michelin

[Aalfred]

Originally Posted by kiw1

I'm not into conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to think Michelin don't sell the stock rears in PA5 so BMW USA can sell more winter tires sets 😂

Iim beginning to think that way too. Maybe they r available only through dealerships and not outside. They prob get a cut from the markups. Lol

[Draper]

Originally Posted by Aalfred

Iim beginning to think that way too. Maybe they r available only through dealerships and not outside. They prob get a cut from the markups. Lol

FWIW, Paddleshiftz said they could source them from the dealer, or a regular tire shop. Price difference was about $15 per tire, so not much of moneymaker for dealers I don't think.

I'm pretty sure tires in general have pretty slim margins, so I think this is more of an oversight as to whey they aren't available here as opposed to some master plan.

[emescopa]

Originally Posted by Draper

Anyone running winter tires in OEM sizes (275/35-19 & 285/30-20)?

Tire Rack doesn't currently have anything listed, but I'm not sure if that's because none are available or they are just out of season.

They do have a few all season options listed which would probably work to get me around town, but not ideal for ski runs to the mountains.

Update 9/21/22: Order Michelin PA5s from Germany

Draper Full disclosure, I haven't read through every post in the thread, but to answer your initial question... yes, I'm running Pirelli Sottozeros in OEM sizes on 826M bi color wheels for winter.

I'm the Northeast and took delivery ('22 M3CX w/825M bi color summers) in Sept. of '21 so I've gone through one winter with them and they performed acceptably, given non-square, wider rear set up. I do daily the car all year (is that redundant?), but I'm also not driving it in real heavy snow. I ordered everything though the dealer parts dept., who told me (at the time) only Pirelli offered a winter in the 285/30 20" rear size.

The real disappointment has been the pzero summers. I now know what folks mean when they say they 'lost the tire lottery'. I've come to despise the pzeros so much so that I'm considering swapping them today (about 45 days earlier that I have in past years) bc the pzeros are so horrible in sub 50ºF temps, and IMO, useless/terrifying in the wet. I came out of a RWD manual (F82) M4C with MP4Ss, so I'm well aware of how to encourage oversteer, as well as how good tires perform in cooler wet temps, and the pzeros have been beyond disappointing.

Good luck in your decision regardless!

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by emescopa

Draper Full disclosure, I haven't read through every post in the thread, but to answer your initial question... yes, I'm running Pirelli Sottozeros in OEM sizes on 826M bi color wheels for winter.

I'm the Northeast and took delivery ('22 M3CX w/825M bi color summers) in Sept. of '21 so I've gone through one winter with them and they performed acceptably, given non-square, wider rear set up. I do daily the car all year (is that redundant?), but I'm also not driving it in real heavy snow. I ordered everything though the dealer parts dept., who told me (at the time) only Pirelli offered a winter in the 285/30 20" rear size.

The real disappointment has been the pzero summers. I now know what folks mean when they say they 'lost the tire lottery'. I've come to despise the pzeros so much so that I'm considering swapping them today (about 45 days earlier that I have in past years) bc the pzeros are so horrible in sub 50ºF temps, and IMO, useless/terrifying in the wet. I came out of a RWD manual M4C with MP4Ss, so I'm well aware of how to encourage oversteer, as well as how good tires perform in cooler wet temps, and the pzeros have been beyond disappointing.

Good luck in your decision regardless!

Those photos are on point sir

[Jackie Chiles]

After my 2017 M2 I bought a 2020 Tesla Model 3 Performance. The cost of snows for the 20” rims were almost the cost of a set of 18s with Blizzaks!

It was a no brainer. I’ll be in my third winter as I wait for my 2023 M4CX, and in a couple of weeks I’ll bring the winter set to my tire shop and pay $40-60 to have the winter rims mounted. Never had to break a bead on either set, and I’m ahead of the game dollar wise rather than if I had mount and balance snows in every fall and summer tires every spring.

Edit: so much for that plan. Winter tires and rims for an M4 come no smaller than 19s and are twice as much as the 18s I bought for the M2.

Insert facepalm here.

[kiw1]

There are a few driver's running 18" setups but you need a monster offset to clear the calipers

[biglilsteve]

Originally Posted by kiw1

There are a few driver's running 18" setups but you need a monster offset to clear the calipers

I'd love to run 18s but I'm afraid that aftermarket 18s could be iffy with barrel size. Would only be comfortable with 824Ms.

[amuk]

Originally Posted by amuk

Since it's been so hard to source winter tires for the stock 19/20 setup, I'll be running Alpin PA4's 295/30/20 rear and 265/35/19 in the front.

I know this isn't ideal especially with the wider rear tires, but my trusted performance auto shop ran this same setup on their g80 last winter and didn't have any complaints.

I'll let you all know how this works out for me once I get them installed and run them for a couple weeks.

Just an update for anyone who is interested. Been running this setup for a few weeks now and have no complaints. There may be slightly more play in the front end with the thinner tires, but honestly even if driving aggressively it's largely negligible.

We haven't had much snow here yet, so I'll update you all again once I've driven the car in some harsher conditions, but in below freezing temperatures these tires have performed magnificently.

[davidmct-M3]

Originally Posted by Draper

Ugh...just got word Michelin doesn't actually have any more of the PA4s for the fronts...and has discontinued the PA4 entirely.

Back to the drawing board...

Originally Posted by Draper

Ugh...just got word Michelin doesn't actually have any more of the PA4s for the fronts...and has discontinued the PA4 entirely.

Back to the drawing board...

PA5?