[RinconHeat]

Originally Posted by 02M3ForMe

These impressions are seriously lacking.

Sorry, someone had to say it.

Has anyone considered that it's likely not all that different from the F80 and thus doesn't leave a massive impression? I think the OP sounds totally underwhelmed- which isn't at all surprising seeing how similar the numbers are between generations.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by RinconHeat

Has anyone considered that it's likely not all that different from the F80 and thus doesn't leave a massive impression? I think the OP sounds totally underwhelmed- which isn't at all surprising seeing how similar the numbers are between generations.

Could be, but with so many important changes, I believe it will drive completely different. More like a F90 with an even better front axle to really stick to the traject, but a bit less progressive or docile. On the other hand, more weight inertion and a bigger torque threshold which could be annoying. Also, ZF8HP is a totally different transmission. Actually, it's impossible it drives like a F80.

[CSBM5]

Re lag at slow speeds...in the X3M / X4M there is a huge difference between a launch control 0-60mph run and the 5-60mph data. C&D tested the X3MC at 3.3 sec to 60mph but the 5-60mph time was 4.7 seconds. Supposedly a goodly portion of this lag time when the throttle is nailed at 5mph is the transmission programming but also of course any turbo lag once the transmission has selected first gear.

A similar situation exists with the X2 M35i where Road and Track featured it in a special article about the huge differences in launch starts vs hammer throttle at 5mph acceleration. Many there have found keeping the transmission in sport mode really helps reduce that massive lag.

As to overall performance data, the X3M at 4549 lbs yeilds:

C/D
TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
150 mph: 21.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph

Hence, the same engine in the G80 M3 weighing ~700lbs less is going to generate some crazy numbers, easily trapping over 120mph in the 1/4, but in the RWD versions not being able to hook hard enough off the line will make it tough to beat the AWD X3MC in something like 0-60.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Also, ZF8HP is a totally different transmission. Actually, it's impossible it drives like a F80.

I agree; there's no way it feels or performs like a DCT. I've ever only driven an F90 M5 Competition on track at 9.5+/10ths and sometimes over the limits, and the thing I was least impressed with was the transmission and shifting...very slow to respond to downshift requests compared to a DCT, not nearly as "connected" feeling between your foot and the tail of the car, etc. Time will tell if the G80 with this similar (likely nearly the same as F90?) torque converter automatic is any better or not. BMW did not want to spend the money to develop a high end, high torque capacity DCT gearbox like Porsche has done, so we're stuck with the traditional automatic in its place...even more reason to select the 6MT.

[KoenG]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Re lag at slow speeds...in the X3M / X4M there is a huge difference between a launch control 0-60mph run and the 5-60mph data. C&D tested the X3MC at 3.3 sec to 60mph but the 5-60mph time was 4.7 seconds. Supposedly a goodly portion of this lag time when the throttle is nailed at 5mph is the transmission programming but also of course any turbo lag once the transmission has selected first gear.

A similar situation exists with the X2 M35i where Road and Track featured it in a special article about the huge differences in launch starts vs hammer throttle at 5mph acceleration. Many there have found keeping the transmission in sport mode really helps reduce that massive lag.

As to overall performance data, the X3M at 4549 lbs yeilds:

C/D
TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
150 mph: 21.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph

Hence, the same engine in the G80 M3 weighing ~700lbs less is going to generate some crazy numbers, easily trapping over 120mph in the 1/4, but in the RWD versions not being able to hook hard enough off the line will make it tough to beat the AWD X3MC in something like 0-60.

Yes, but these benchmarks are all at full throttle and driving like you stole the car on a strip. Actually when you own the car as a daily driver, you drive 98% of the time to your work or the grocery store between other traffic. Certainly, under these circumstances I would appreciate instant torque without hectic downshifting to 1/2nd gear. But the G80 doesn't have any strong torque underneath 2700rpm. Meaning that 98% of the time the G80 drives like a ford focus. I know I exagerrate the situation here, but I believe you understand the point.

[backslashv]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

The shadowline lights give you black painted interior in the headlight housing. The blue is from the bmw laser light setup.

is there a photo of this option anywhere? couldn't find an image or a video comparing the headlights with and w/o this option!

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by backslashv

is there a photo of this option anywhere? couldn't find an image or a video comparing the headlights with and w/o this option!

I haven't seen a photo of the non-laser headlights but if you don't select laser lights the upper piece above the headlamps will be silver color.

[URBAN LEGEND]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Re lag at slow speeds...in the X3M / X4M there is a huge difference between a launch control 0-60mph run and the 5-60mph data. C&D tested the X3MC at 3.3 sec to 60mph but the 5-60mph time was 4.7 seconds. Supposedly a goodly portion of this lag time when the throttle is nailed at 5mph is the transmission programming but also of course any turbo lag once the transmission has selected first gear.

A similar situation exists with the X2 M35i where Road and Track featured it in a special article about the huge differences in launch starts vs hammer throttle at 5mph acceleration. Many there have found keeping the transmission in sport mode really helps reduce that massive lag.

As to overall performance data, the X3M at 4549 lbs yeilds:

C/D
TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
150 mph: 21.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph

Hence, the same engine in the G80 M3 weighing ~700lbs less is going to generate some crazy numbers, easily trapping over 120mph in the 1/4, but in the RWD versions not being able to hook hard enough off the line will make it tough to beat the AWD X3MC in something like 0-60.

No doubt the M3 will run hard. This motor pulls hard.

[freshxdough]

Could you perhaps drop the VIN. It is a public BMW car so I feel if someone took a photo of it it would be free game.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by CSBM5

Re lag at slow speeds...in the X3M / X4M there is a huge difference between a launch control 0-60mph run and the 5-60mph data. C&D tested the X3MC at 3.3 sec to 60mph but the 5-60mph time was 4.7 seconds. Supposedly a goodly portion of this lag time when the throttle is nailed at 5mph is the transmission programming but also of course any turbo lag once the transmission has selected first gear.

A similar situation exists with the X2 M35i where Road and Track featured it in a special article about the huge differences in launch starts vs hammer throttle at 5mph acceleration. Many there have found keeping the transmission in sport mode really helps reduce that massive lag.

As to overall performance data, the X3M at 4549 lbs yeilds:

C/D
TEST RESULTS
Rollout, 1 ft: 0.2 sec
60 mph: 3.3 sec
100 mph: 8.0 sec
150 mph: 21.4 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
¼-mile: 11.6 sec @ 119 mph

Hence, the same engine in the G80 M3 weighing ~700lbs less is going to generate some crazy numbers, easily trapping over 120mph in the 1/4, but in the RWD versions not being able to hook hard enough off the line will make it tough to beat the AWD X3MC in something like 0-60.

Interesting. Their F80 Comp and F90 Comp numbers for reference:

C/D TEST RESULTS:
F80
Curb weight: 3651 lb

Zero to 60 mph: 4.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 14.6 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 21.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.6 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.2 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 2.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.2 sec @ 120 mph

F90
Curb weight: 4262 lb

Zero to 60 mph: 3.0 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 6.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 11.0 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 15.3 sec
Rolling start, 5–60 mph: 3.5 sec
Top gear, 30–50 mph: 2.1 sec
Top gear, 50–70 mph: 2.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.0 sec @ 130 mph


M5 is a rocket, 8AT seems to be working fine in that model

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...e-test-review/

https://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/m5

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by poweredbym

So true. I think it doesn't matter if you like the design or not, we can all agree from the specs that this is not the same kind of upgrade when they went from E9x to F8x.

This gen is all about appearances compare to before.

I dont even agree the F8x is an upgrade to the E92. Its faster ill give it that.

[OG///M]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I dont even agree the F8x is an upgrade to the E92. Its faster ill give it that.

Missing the point here. From a lot of aspects, sound, engine, steering etc F8x was subjectively not an upgrade. Was referring to things such as the more liberal use of CF and the intent to keep weight in check.

There's a big difference in philosophy with this new one.

[yousefnjr]

Originally Posted by poweredbym

Agreed from a lot of aspects, sound, engine, steering etc F8x definitely was not an upgrade. Was referring to things such as the more liberal use of CF and the intent to keep weight in check.

That went out the window with this new one.

I don’t think that’s totally fair to say, M3 weight has generally been in-line with the weight of the 3 series it’s based on. Per C&D curb weights (I believe they use their own scale):

2016 340i - 3686 lb
2016 M3 - 3651 lb

2021 M340i - 3827 lb
2021 M440i xDrive - 3986 lb

Funny enough, from their E92 M3 review:
“However, the entire car weighs about 250 more pounds than the last M3, and that's a consequence of the 3-series coupe, the car on which the M3 is based, getting bigger.”

What’s old is new again I guess

[wowwitsgau]

OP is likely not going to give the answers most of you are looking for on here. Seems like he’s been relegated to valet-like duty with the type of responses he’s been providing thus far. Don’t expect much ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[bsmf8x]

somebody just needs to rip this and an f80 thru some corners back to back and give feedback lol who tf cares about the seat comfort this isn't a 7er surprised nobody has done it yet

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by JRobUSC

It was probably more:

“Audi and Mercedes and Lexus have grills that are just as big (or even bigger), and they are selling just fine, especially in China where big grills are popular. I’m sure BMW buyers will be just as accepting and not blow up the internet over us making grills that are similar in size to what our competitors have successfully been selling for years, right? BMW buyers aren’t all going to complain and illogically threaten to jump ship to one of those brands who are selling similar grills...”

Basically, I think BMW overestimated their customers.

Audi and Lexus also received a lot of negativity on their big grilles when they introduced them (me included).
Now, no one even think about their big grilles anymore (me included).

BMW was more than likely aware of negative first reactions, but history has shown that change often is met with resistance, then acceptance and quite often ends up being embraced. For instance, how many would want a brand new Audi with the old school grille from the mid 1990ies?

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by Lucky1

I worry about this rationalization of the car's weight being okay because it is neutralized by the additional engine power. Does it have magic suspension also neutralize the weight gain in weight transfer on the turns? Would love to see a comparison of the past three gen M3's on an average track to see how it all plays out.

Hope the M2 starts coming in 4 doors for a lighter, smaller alternative akin to the E46 M4 four door of yore.

A little bit of info on a G82 M4 driven back to back (and compared) with a F82 M4 Comp

G82 M4 test drive review by Sport Auto https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1744192

[VIERsr]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

I don’t think that’s totally fair to say, M3 weight has generally been in-line with the weight of the 3 series it’s based on. Per C&D curb weights (I believe they use their own scale):

2016 340i - 3686 lb
2016 M3 - 3651 lb

2021 M340i - 3827 lb
2021 M440i xDrive - 3986 lb

Funny enough, from their E92 M3 review:
“However, the entire car weighs about 250 more pounds than the last M3, and that's a consequence of the 3-series coupe, the car on which the M3 is based, getting bigger.”

What’s old is new again I guess

Same story ever.
Every time they complain that the old model was better, but in the end they all buy the new one.

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by KoenG

Yes, but these benchmarks are all at full throttle and driving like you stole the car on a strip. Actually when you own the car as a daily driver, you drive 98% of the time to your work or the grocery store between other traffic. Certainly, under these circumstances I would appreciate instant torque without hectic downshifting to 1/2nd gear. But the G80 doesn't have any strong torque underneath 2700rpm. Meaning that 98% of the time the G80 drives like a ford focus. I know I exagerrate the situation here, but I believe you understand the point.

You just stated the entire point of my post. I was noting the dramatic difference between 0-60mph time versus the rolling at 5mph and then hitting the throttle time to 60mph. The latter is 42% slower in the X3M due to the huge lag in response/lack of low end torque output/pick your poison.

[Ghostriderf80]

Interior looks nice.

Not sure the handling part comment, how was it tested? It's mostly straight roads, unless you meant a smoother ride.

[frankiebones]

OP, you stated (through DM's) that the CF bucket seats were not that comfortable. Are you able to compare them to the outgoing competition seats in the f80?

[M-Enthusiast]

Kind of an unfortunate thread for all involved...

For OP it may would have been better (less stressful) to not provide any feedback in first place and be silent about his personal luck to drive an G80 as he is facing (understandably) a lot of requests and demand for driving videos, in-depth reviews, driving experiences and so on...

And for us (impatient) forum members the way these OP feedbacks are provided which are bascially no news / further feedbacks to the existent very limited facts we currently have... No real winners here...

But still thankful for OP to at least try to help the forum here