[M3PGH]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

On M cars not likely as the demand is high. Most of the rarer cars in general are all made to order.

The days of having a ton of inventory are over. Charge more per unit with reduced inventory and a meet demand.

the only M car at present that it is hard to get discount is M3 and this is changing slowly
you can get discount on M4 , M5 X5M, M8 etc .These are all M cars
not sure why some people on the forums try to keep the hype up that this is the new normal
that we will be paying MSRP for ever
that companies will not over build these cars
and they ignore what is actually happening in front of their eyes
6-9 months ago
M3 sold for way above sticker. Now this rarely happens . Mostly selling for sticker
M5 sold for sticker or slightly above .Now 6-8 % off close to old days
X5M sold for sticker or slightly above . Now at least 6-8 % off close to old days .
G63 wagon sold for low 300 k , now selling for 230-240 k max
C8 corvette sold for 30-40 k above MSRP . Now some discount below MSRP
and I can keep going on
so please lets not keep perpetuating the myth that car market is not correcting .
It has corrected some what and will continue to do so in particular if we hit a significant economic down turn with significant rise in layoffs
and I can bet money that companies will go back to good old production rather than build on demand .

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by M3PGH

the only M car at present that it is hard to get discount is M3 and this is changing slowly
you can get discount on M4 , M5 X5M, M8 etc .These are all M cars
not sure why some people on the forums try to keep the hype up that this is the new normal
that we will be paying MSRP for ever
that companies will not over build these cars
and they ignore what is actually happening in front of their eyes
6-9 months ago
M3 sold for way above sticker. Now this rarely happens . Mostly selling for sticker
M5 sold for sticker or slightly above .Now 6-8 % off close to old days
X5M sold for sticker or slightly above . Now at least 6-8 % off close to old days .
G63 wagon sold for low 300 k , now selling for 230-240 k max
C8 corvette sold for 30-40 k above MSRP . Now some discount below MSRP
and I can keep going on
so please lets not keep perpetuating the myth that car market is not correcting .
It has corrected some what and will continue to do so in particular if we hit a significant economic down turn with significant rise in layoffs
and I can bet money that companies will go back to good old production rather than build on demand .

I'm not saying below MSRP deals cannot be had..

It is rarity and even at that .... the price of the car (m3/m4) has increased by 8k in the last two years is that really a discount.

They just dropped the updated X5M and X6M both went up by over 4k in base price.

G wagons and Vettes have all be hot sellers and over msrp.

What I am saying is the days of 6-8k off are gone unless it's end of year sale, a bad spec, damaged car. I got an 19M5 CP and was able to get 11k off and the MF was low. Deals like that are gone.

Most folks are lucky to get MSRP plus incentives which would put cars below msrp then base money factor or a sub 5% loan.

I believe you can get 1500 off with current incentives this month. On a 85k car that is 1.8% off. On a 50k 330i that's 3%.

[MrSmileyDC]

About 16k F80’s we’re built for the entire US market. That’s a little over 3k a year during the production cycle.

Most of the cars sold are SUV’s. You don’t see many M cars sitting on the lot because they just don’t sell that many. They just need to have a few out there for the impulse buyers to get hands on and test drive them. Plus they’re a good brand marketing tool.

[nosbocaj]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Are we sure these are actually for sale? Dealers often list ordered cars in inventory and on their websites even though the car has already been sold prior to its arrival. I'd find it hard to believe there's many g80s especially sitting in inventory at all.

Having called at least 60+ dealers during my search, I can safely say that at least 2/3rds of M3's listed on Cars or Autotrader are customer orders. It must be an automated thing that their websites do when new cars come in.

[chujk1985]

I got about 2% under MSRP plus $1250 in loyalty/military credit. Just took delivery.

[M3PGH]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I'm not saying below MSRP deals cannot be had..

It is rarity and even at that .... the price of the car (m3/m4) has increased by 8k in the last two years is that really a discount.

They just dropped the updated X5M and X6M both went up by over 4k in base price.

G wagons and Vettes have all be hot sellers and over msrp.

What I am saying is the days of 6-8k off are gone unless it's end of year sale, a bad spec, damaged car. I got an 19M5 CP and was able to get 11k off and the MF was low. Deals like that are gone.

Most folks are lucky to get MSRP plus incentives which would put cars below msrp then base money factor or a sub 5% loan.

I believe you can get 1500 off with current incentives this month. On a 85k car that is 1.8% off. On a 50k 330i that's 3%.

Why?
go on M5 sub forum and brokers are advertising 6 % off on orders which on 125 k car is almost 8 k and that is with no negotiations
I ordered several M cars , too many to count , and always got 8-10 % off plus whatever incentive
last being 2019 m5c which I got 10 % off on 124 k build which is 12.4 k
also price increase is related to inflation , so your argument if someone gets 6 k discount now, but the car is 6 k more because of price increase, that does not count as a discount .Not sure this is a valid argument
we hit a patch of inflation recently and price increases are part of that. Ultimately when inflation cools down to normal 2-3 % a year , we will go back to the normal 1-2 k increase every MY

[Shaneartistry]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I'm not saying below MSRP deals cannot be had..

It is rarity and even at that .... the price of the car (m3/m4) has increased by 8k in the last two years is that really a discount.

They just dropped the updated X5M and X6M both went up by over 4k in base price.

G wagons and Vettes have all be hot sellers and over msrp.

What I am saying is the days of 6-8k off are gone unless it's end of year sale, a bad spec, damaged car. I got an 19M5 CP and was able to get 11k off and the MF was low. Deals like that are gone.

Most folks are lucky to get MSRP plus incentives which would put cars below msrp then base money factor or a sub 5% loan.

I believe you can get 1500 off with current incentives this month. On a 85k car that is 1.8% off. On a 50k 330i that's 3%.

What is the $1500 incentive?

[LeRoy]

Originally Posted by Habber

When people stop paying over MSRP.

What he said.

[skyline408]

I picked up my 6MT G80 off the lot for $3K under MSRP. My car is unusual as it literally has no options. It didn't bother me at all, as I have had recent heavily optioned BMWs so I knew what I would be missing. The only options I really liked was the heated/cooled cup holders, and soft close doors from my X5M, and those aren't even available on the M3, so no loss to me.

[GOLFFRR]

also you need to consider that selling price is just part of the deal.
just bc you pay x for the car doesn't mean you are not getting up charged in other areas of the deal. Best to make sure you look at the whole deal in order to get a summarized shot of the deal.

if you finance, whats the rate
if you lease, whats the terms, MF, etc..

what are the fees

if you go through a broker what are the fees

etc..

all this stuff needs to be looked at when you determine the deal you get. Just my 2 cents.

but I do think eventually the market will even out a little but crazy low deals on higher demanded cars, I dont see that happening anytime soon from what Im seeing.

[Eris496]

msrp is always going up

[nosbocaj]

Originally Posted by skyline408

I picked up my 6MT G80 off the lot for $3K under MSRP. My car is unusual as it literally has no options. It didn't bother me at all, as I have had recent heavily optioned BMWs so I knew what I would be missing. The only options I really liked was the heated/cooled cup holders, and soft close doors from my X5M, and those aren't even available on the M3, so no loss to me.

A true stripper, nice! My E90 M3 was a stripper and I loved it. Didn't even have nav.

There's a Comp RWD that's extremely bare bones at my local dealership. It's been sitting there a while. I bet they'd sell it under MSRP top.

[skyline408]

Originally Posted by Exar Kun

A true stripper, nice! My E90 M3 was a stripper and I loved it. Didn't even have nav.

There's a Comp RWD that's extremely bare bones at my local dealership. It's been sitting there a while. I bet they'd sell it under MSRP top.

I didn't even go there to buy it! I saw it and the dealer let me test drive the 6MT and 2-minutes into the drive, I decided to buy it. It was a riot. Icing on the cake for me was the fact that it didn't have options! I feel the car by itself has all the essentials that I ever want.

When I bought my new E46 M3, it was pretty light on options and I came from a 330ci with every option. I didn't miss anything.

[MrSmileyDC]

Well I got an offer for $500 off plus $750 Loyalty credit that they can supposedly lock in. Of course who knows what the market will look like this summer.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by M3PGH

the only M car at present that it is hard to get discount is M3 and this is changing slowly
you can get discount on M4 , M5 X5M, M8 etc .These are all M cars
not sure why some people on the forums try to keep the hype up that this is the new normal
that we will be paying MSRP for ever
that companies will not over build these cars
and they ignore what is actually happening in front of their eyes
6-9 months ago
M3 sold for way above sticker. Now this rarely happens . Mostly selling for sticker
M5 sold for sticker or slightly above .Now 6-8 % off close to old days
X5M sold for sticker or slightly above . Now at least 6-8 % off close to old days .
G63 wagon sold for low 300 k , now selling for 230-240 k max
C8 corvette sold for 30-40 k above MSRP . Now some discount below MSRP
and I can keep going on
so please lets not keep perpetuating the myth that car market is not correcting .
It has corrected some what and will continue to do so in particular if we hit a significant economic down turn with significant rise in layoffs
and I can bet money that companies will go back to good old production rather than build on demand .

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/02/25/...roduction-cut/

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Shaneartistry

What is the $1500 incentive?

https://www.edmunds.com/bmw/car-incentives.html

https://www.bmwusa.com/special-offer...incentive.html

[kgelfen360]

Originally Posted by GrubTheHedgehog

Just curious, do you guys think $2k+ under MSRP plus incentives is a good deal on a 24 M3 build. Talk me down please!!!

Yea very good. Given some places still asking for ADM

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by GrubTheHedgehog

Just curious, do you guys think $2k+ under MSRP plus incentives is a good deal on a 24 M3 build. Talk me down please!!!

That's almost the top of the line discount you'll get on an M anywhere. Most are lucky to get MSRP or are even paying ADM.

[PVC]

Originally Posted by GrubTheHedgehog

Just curious, do you guys think $2k+ under MSRP plus incentives is a good deal on a 24 M3 build. Talk me down please!!!

Seems like a good deal, but the market is constantly shifting. Who knows if it'll be considered good in 6 months from now.

[pateke]

Ordered my M4CX a couple of weeks ago at MSRP (price listed on website) -13%. Live in Scandinavia, so possibility to negotiate might differ from the US.

Add the horrendous income taxes and VAT in Scandinavia, and it’ll still hurt.

[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by Th3DarkSide

There is one at my local dealer right now. Sitting for weeks. Has the Carbon Seats which I don’t want. So I ordered to my spec.

one out of 500...
and let me guess, they are asking some ridiculous ADM and sticking to it, losing sales day after day...
Greed will catch up with them...