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10,000 orders for the Macan when it’s replacing an ICE Macan doesn’t seem too good. How many did they sell of the ICE version? Tesla sells 25,000 Y’s per week.
The Macan sold 27,000 in the US alone last year. So… 10,000 global orders seems like normal demand. Why was Porsche forced to do this to the Macan and 718? BMW still sells the M variants. Is it because their Taycan didn’t sell well enough? |
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With Stelvio, I have two major and related concerns -- reliability and dealer availability/convenience. I will check if there is dealership availability close to me. We have multiple Porsche and BMW dealerships in the DFW area. A good friend of mine went from F80 to X3M to G87. The X3M was the least favorite of the 3 for him |
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New EU regs means they can’t sell the current Macan or 718 without major changes, and I guess they decided those changes aren’t worth it at this point in the life cycle. https://www.thedrive.com/news/porsch...ersecurity-law Maybe they keep the ICE Macan and 718 in the US for the moment, but the 718 EV should be here next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/porsche/718-ev
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03-30-2024, 12:04 PM | #28 |
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Why would someone choose the Macan (EV or not) over the M3? Or why would someone choose to own both? It seems to me that the M3 has more room and is also better to drive. I guess ground clearance would be a reason if you have to deal with snow in the winter?
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Here is an interesting fact, in 2017 when the Giulia was released there were 11 service bulletins. The Panamera that same model year had nearly 300. Dealer network is something else entirely and valid, but form a driving perspective it's great. The current model X3M IMO drove very well. Suspension much improved over the 1st gen which was overly harsh and brittle. I will say, the X3M did and does feel more sports car than the Macan and Stelvio which have a bit softer rides in comparison but nothing I'd say would sway me one way or the other. |
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The Macan has much more room than a G8x, and is a very well-rounded daily option that is fun to drive (at least in Turbo/GTS trim). I’ve owned both together for a little over a year now, and I find myself driving the Macan 75% or the time. I don’t tend to keep cars very long so not sure what things will look like in 6mos or so if I end up taking delivery of an EV. Cars with steel springs sit 15mm higher than those with air suspension. You can get AS on all models but it comes standard on the GTS. The GTS also sits 10mm lower than an S/Turbo with AS. However, you can have the dealer (or anyone with PIWIS) adjust the ‘normal’ ride height which is the baseline for the low and off road modes. I currently have my Turbo set ~1” below stock, which is a little lower than the GTS - which IMHO is perfect.
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Of course, the cargo area is substantially larger in the Macan especially if you compare both cars with the seats down. I can easily toss a 29in MTB in the back with little fuss. I’ve also have a full set of wheels and unmounted tires in the back.
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You can feel the weight of the Macan vs G80 but that makes you push the gas pedal more and the sound of the 2.9 V6 is amazing, i like it better than the S58 sound in the G80. In Sport and S+ modes, the response of the engine is better than the G80 that i always drove in the Sport mode. The steering is also excellent. A LOT of fun and after 35 years of (pretty much) exclusive 6MT, i am enjoying the PDK in the Macan. I liked the Macan over any other SUV for a few reasons: 1) it is small (considerably shorter than the G80) 2) it sits at perfect height (not too high and not too low, the G80 was too low for my lower back and hips) 3) the V6 in a small size SUV The seats are much more comfortable than very good standard seats in the G80 and very supportive. The seat cooling is much better than that BMW thing. Tech in the G80 is more advanced than the Macan but i am still learning this one. The room inside is about the same I’d say. Front is roomy and well used. Rear is ok for two adults, though sloping of the roof line probably makes it cramped for those over 6’2”. The trunk space is more usable than the G80 trunk that is excellent size. |
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The V6 sounds pretty good in the Macans, but I think since the switch to the 2.9 it's a bit too buzzy but don't agree on the throttle and steering when each are at the sportiest - still that that and generally the S58 is a better motor than anything Porsche is making sans the GT car engines. The Macan is 2.5 inches shorted in length so if anything the G80 would be larger which is why I so feel the cabin is bigger than the Macan whereas the trunk size was a priority for Porsche. The PDK is quite good, but it is an Audi gearbox and not of the same caliber of what they use in the 911/718s. If you have the 18/8 ways seats (had those in my GTS) they are incredibly comfortable seats. The tech is pretty lackluster and can be very glitchy (know many people who's PCM have just shut down while driving the car) and general cabin has across their lineup as well as the bumpers have taken a turn for the use of lots of black plastics, which I dont like, especially when on the outside they arent painting them. |
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I've never gelled with the macan. Had plenty of seat time in them as I've had probably 8-10 as loaners throughout the years. Have had base and S. Driven Turbo but not the newer GTS.
Last month I had a Macan loaner and it was still running the old PCM 5 and it was brand new! Couldn't believe it. PCM 6 is old enough tech as it is, are they still really shipping Macan's with PCM 5? In any event, the car is too small for my family. We are all tall. My 14 year old is the shortest at 5'6", my wife is 5'10", I'm 6'2" and my son is 6'5". So macan is WAY too small. Back seat legroom is practically nonexistent with my wife and I in the front. Even with her squished forward, my son barely has room behind her, and I have to slide forward to make room for my daughter. My favorite macan has been a Sport. I think it's been replaced by the T but it was a base 4 cylinder with sport suspension and tuning. I thought it was a fun little pocket rocket; reminded me of a grown up Golf R. But it was like $65k, which is a lot for a 4 cylinder Macan. The PDK...I've never gelled with it. As someone said it's a VW unit and that makes sense; it reminds me of the DSG in my GTi. Pretty recalcitrant around town, especially in the 6 cylinder models. It's also based on the original Q5 architecture, IIRC, and the platform is pretty long in the tooth. Still, it's sold well, I think because it's a good size and price point for many people. I hear the new GTS is quite the nimble little thing; Porsche does know how to extract magic out of a platform, that's for sure. I recall The Smoking Tire (both Zach and Matt) being impressed as hell by one. And for sure it's the most nimble SUV you can buy with perhaps the exception of the Stelvio, but I have no experience with that. So am I sad to see it go? Kinda. But I'm honestly more excited with it's replacement. I bet it's gonna drive like a champ. |
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Pre-production car (non-Turbo) shows 325mi+ range in moderate LA freeway traffic test.
https://youtu.be/ab1AIGLpd_0?si=RL5TyD5XjENCNLT6
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Last week, while in Shanghai, we (5 adults, the 3 of them in the back seat were smaller size) went out to dinner and everyone was very comfortable. I have driven the Q5/SQ5 many times and the Macan feels completely different to me. The handling, the firmness/tightness is something else. I also like the design of the Macan over the Q5. |
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Also, Taycan / Etron smoke their EPA rated range on a highway test. Whereas Tesla never makes it. Goes to show you that the EPA testing is not good, as it doesn’t measure where you really need range: highway road trips. Even if you go by the EPA highway number, the test doesn’t accurately measure range. The 325 miles above is similar to what you would see in OOS’s 70 MPH range test. See here: https://outofspecstudios.com/70-mph-range So pretty much in line with current vehicles with that size battery. |
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