[nws-511]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

There are so many differences between this GT3 car and the production car, most of which cannot be replicated on the street car

Not to mention the fact that the entire engine/drivetrain is different

I've already responded to my earlier post regarding this. The point I was hoping to convey is that whatever the racing team, with regard to weight reduction, could to a smaller degree be incorporated with the production M4 CSL. Ultimately cost and weight reduction goals made by BMW management will determine what will be eventually be sold to the public. Making the car lighter is perhaps not as difficult goal as some may believe.

I do believe that BMW will do some performance mods to the engine/drivetrain, but it will not even be remotely close to the GT3 car.

[buckybadger]

Originally Posted by PLF69

What a bunch of cry babies I read here it's hilarious, the car will be too big, too fat, too slow, too undertired, will not have a good residual, will not have a real transmission bla bla and it goes on for hours.

I bet a lot of GTS owners have been super happy with there ownership as mostly all CS owners. If your not interested in the car stop whining like a pussy about it.

I will reserve all judgement until I can actually drive one or drive the car I would order, yes reading/watching reviews helps but it's no absolute. If I don't intend to buy one I don't go around forums wasting my time complaining about something I will never own.

I see this happen when people have either too much time on there hand or have a too comfortable living, they complain about everything. Please stop the whining they are all great peice of engineering and we are lucky to live in an age we can enjoy it.

Yeah, there are a lot of idiots on this forum.

[RPM33]

Do people think this will be $140k? M5 CS base was around $140k.

[AndroidRobot]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Do people think this will be $140k? M5 CS base was around $140k.

it's a CSL not a CS so probably. Remember the GTS pricing was out there too. There hasn't been a CSL I a long time so it's all a guess

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by RPM33

Do people think this will be $140k? M5 CS base was around $140k.

I'm not sure what the cost will be, but I'm speculating it will be between $135K to $155K.

Here's my speculation of options BMW will include to justify the increased cost .....

1/. M4 Competition coupe w/ 8 speed gear box
2/. Slight modification to the ECU to increase horsepower to 535+ HP, torque to 650+ Nm.
3/. All of the carbon fiber trim from 'M' Performance currently available.
4/. Removal of the rear seat
5/. Include a new roll cage.
6/. Carbon bucket seats
7/. Full Merino interior
8/. Carbon fiber interior + exterior trim
9/. "Quad" exhaust from 'M' Performance
10/. Selected weight savings incorporated (example: sound deadening reduction or removal). Lots of opportunities here.
11/. No 'X' drive, just 2 wheel drive
12/. Special 50th Anniversary colors and graphics (something race oriented)
13/. 'M' 1000 styled wheels, or something new and spectacular.
14/. Carbon ceramic brakes
15/. 'M' Drive Pro
16/. Laser lights
17/. 'M' Drivers package
18/. Drive assist Pro package
19/. Executive package
20/. Carbon fiber hood + trunk lids

[SCOTT26]

It's the new X1 at the forefront. But the CSL is coming up at the rear.
Notice the Grille internal bar changes.

[02M3ForMe]

Looks more GT3-like. BMW is going to beat the aftermarket to the punch.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by nws-511

I've already responded to my earlier post regarding this. The point I was hoping to convey is that whatever the racing team, with regard to weight reduction, could to a smaller degree be incorporated with the production M4 CSL. Ultimately cost and weight reduction goals made by BMW management will determine what will be eventually be sold to the public. Making the car lighter is perhaps not as difficult goal as some may believe.

I do believe that BMW will do some performance mods to the engine/drivetrain, but it will not even be remotely close to the GT3 car.

Also on the subject of weight, that figure you quoted seems like a dry weight figure… I’d be extremely surprised that they’d get the chassis down to below 3k wet. I’d imagine it’s around 3200-3300 “wet” which is par for the course

[nws-511]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Also on the subject of weight, that figure you quoted seems like a dry weight figure… I’d be extremely surprised that they’d get the chassis down to below 3k wet. I’d imagine it’s around 3200-3300 “wet” which is par for the course

You're most likely correct. We'll see once the car becomes available.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by iamdabest1

Am I the only one that would rather have the new upcoming z06 over any version of the m4?

i dont think you can even compare the two. The z06 will be a monster...

[solstice]

Originally Posted by TrevorM3

i dont think you can even compare the two. The z06 will be a monster...

If BMW designed and built the z06…woaaa but it will be a GM car…shudder. Such a pity that these awesome specced cars need to haul that baggage around as a leper bell.

[RPM33]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Also on the subject of weight, that figure you quoted seems like a dry weight figure… I’d be extremely surprised that they’d get the chassis down to below 3k wet. I’d imagine it’s around 3200-3300 “wet” which is par for the course

I think the weight of the M4 CSL will be closer to 3,600 pounds than low 3,000’s.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by RPM33

I think the weight of the M4 CSL will be closer to 3,600 pounds than low 3,000’s.

Yeah I think that's fair, honestly I'm thinking probably 3700 lbs for two reasons:

1. BMW doesn't really have an incentive to significant lose weight - the base car already performs so well objectively, so why not just do more of that.

2. The M4 GTS weighted pretty much the same as a light spec'd base M4 and CS, so whatever weight the car does lose, they'll likely add back in go-faster type parts

[solstice]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Yeah I think that's fair, honestly I'm thinking probably 3700 lbs for two reasons:

1. BMW doesn't really have an incentive to significant lose weight - the base car already performs so well objectively, so why not just do more of that.

2. The M4 GTS weighted pretty much the same as a light spec'd base M4 and CS, so whatever weight the car does lose, they'll likely add back in go-faster type parts

All I’m sure of is that the car is going to go like a bat out of hell. I’m hoping for the 3500 mark but as you I’m realistically thinking 3700. Maybe a euro version with roll cage and stripped out rear quarters will be 35XX.

[barryc365]

Originally Posted by nws-511

I'm not sure what the cost will be, but I'm speculating it will be between $135K to $155K.

Here's my speculation of options BMW will include to justify the increased cost .....

1/. M4 Competition coupe w/ 8 speed gear box
2/. Slight modification to the ECU to increase horsepower to 535+ HP, torque to 650+ Nm.
3/. All of the carbon fiber trim from 'M' Performance currently available.
4/. Removal of the rear seat
5/. Include a new roll cage.
6/. Carbon bucket seats
7/. Full Merino interior
8/. Carbon fiber interior + exterior trim
9/. "Quad" exhaust from 'M' Performance
10/. Selected weight savings incorporated (example: sound deadening reduction or removal). Lots of opportunities here.
11/. No 'X' drive, just 2 wheel drive
12/. Special 50th Anniversary colors and graphics (something race oriented)
13/. 'M' 1000 styled wheels, or something new and spectacular.
14/. Carbon ceramic brakes
15/. 'M' Drive Pro
16/. Laser lights
17/. 'M' Drivers package
18/. Drive assist Pro package
19/. Executive package
20/. Carbon fiber hood + trunk lids

The last CSL you could option without a radio and without xenon lights so not sure why you'd want an executive package adding weight etc if it is truly a light focussed car

I don't think the price matters too much on these things. It'll probably be low production numbers and they'll have no issue selling them. It's probably just a balance of pricing it in and around or slightly below GT3 / GT3 RS but the RS may be in a totally different bracket

I suppose we will just have to wait and see how serious they are about it being a true light weight track special or just mildly lighter weight than stock. There is a wide spectrum here to play with

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

It's the new X1 at the forefront. But the CSL is coming up at the rear.
Notice the Grille internal bar changes.

Nice change on the grille. The new design should be offered as m performance part.

[adc]

Originally Posted by MistaVauros

Torque converter auto is DEF not where it's at. The ZF is a very good auto, but it still has noticeable lag in the shift speed and couple that with turbo lag and the overall experience is less than ideal. BMW copped out with that BS statement about the DCT not being able to handle high HP engines, blah, blah.

Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Ford, and all the other exotic and hyper car manufacturers will never put a ZF in place of a dual clutch.

I won't disagree with choice being king, no arguments there.

I couldn’t care less about DCT vs 8AT, I was replying in jest. I drive a manual car and will continue to do so for my next one too.

[adc]

Originally Posted by TrentMeister

Have you even driven a new m3/4 hard? One that's broken in?

In truth, I haven’t. That is because there is no attraction for me to do so. I drive a manual F80, and have no need for a G80. My car has the Ohlins suspension and is tuned, and quite quick on the track.

I’m waiting to see a G8x driven well at the track, to see how it compares. If it blows my doors off, then perhaps I’ll find it worthwhile to wait for the next M2 (not the M3/4, I don’t like the size or looks).

And certainly not the CSL in the $150k range.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MistaVauros

Torque converter auto is DEF not where it's at. The ZF is a very good auto, but it still has noticeable lag in the shift speed and couple that with turbo lag and the overall experience is less than ideal. BMW copped out with that BS statement about the DCT not being able to handle high HP engines, blah, blah.

Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari, Ford, and all the other exotic and hyper car manufacturers will never put a ZF in place of a dual clutch.

I won't disagree with choice being king, no arguments there.

And don't forget the AWD torque/power monster Bugatti Chiron that also uses a DCT .

That being said, the F1X/F8X gen DCT is more than capable of handling S58 torque levels.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by brad850csi

Lets not forget that my car has 600ps and 700nm with the M-DCT

Edit - thinking about it some more (even though the F10 M5 and F06/12/13 M6 6MT had 680nm and the new gearbox appears to be the same) if the new gearbox is limited to 550nm, you make 540ps (I know ynguldyn said 540hp, but I'm guessing it is actually 540ps) at 7000rpm.

I'd be happy with 550nm from 2650rpm to 7000rpm with 540ps made from 7000-7200rpm if the redline needs to remain at 7200rpm due to limitations of the S58 engine. Of course it might be able to go higher too.

That would make for a very entertaining powertrain indeed

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by adc

In truth, I haven't. That is because there is no attraction for me to do so. I drive a manual F80, and have no need for a G80. My car has the Ohlins suspension and is tuned, and quite quick on the track.

I'm waiting to see a G8x driven well at the track, to see how it compares. If it blows my doors off, then perhaps I'll find it worthwhile to wait for the next M2 (not the M3/4, I don't like the size or looks).

And certainly not the CSL in the $150k range.

Lmao ok valuable opinion then

[Hegge]

Originally Posted by adc

In truth, I haven’t. That is because there is no attraction for me to do so. I drive a manual F80, and have no need for a G80. My car has the Ohlins suspension and is tuned, and quite quick on the track.

I’m waiting to see a G8x driven well at the track, to see how it compares. If it blows my doors off, then perhaps I’ll find it worthwhile to wait for the next M2 (not the M3/4, I don’t like the size or looks).

And certainly not the CSL in the $150k range.

Why would anyone buy the M4 CSL for $150K when the 992 GT3 starts at $161K? I am assuming both will be hard to get an allocation.