[DB_Cooper]

I was planning on getting the last model year G80 but might have to recalculate if I want a 100% German made M3 based on this article

https://jalopnik.com/bmw-said-it-wil...ine-1847919718

Wondering how many 2024s will be affected or if this will only affect LCI cars.

Thoughts??

[BryanCO]

Why would the country the engine was produced in matter enough to change someone’s purchase plans?

[mdr955]

That was from 2021.

[farishat]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Why would the country the engine was produced in matter enough to change someone’s purchase plans?

Generally, better quality control and attention to detail. No doubt about it in my mind.

[NicolasB]

Was a current story yesterday that the last ICE engine to be built in Munich was a V8, and now they are done. So technically my M3 that is at port is one of the very last with an engine made there? Or is there somewhere in Germany besides Munich that makes BMW engines?

[odiesback]

BMW might be heading for a self inflicted market share disaster and a rude awakening, just ask Ford and GM.

[BryanCO]

Originally Posted by farishat

Generally, better quality control and attention to detail. No doubt about it in my mind.

Then that’s all that matters.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by farishat

Generally, better quality control and attention to detail. No doubt about it in my mind.

You’re right. The history of BMW S engines is impeccable. Zero catastrophic decects like spun crank hubs, rod bearings, vanos issues, etc.

[Ezra168]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-ha...nd-it-was-a-v8

Here’s a more recent article. I emailed BMW genus to see if mine will be affected, I’m week 2 production for 2024.

[Couna777]

Originally Posted by robopp

You’re right. The history of BMW S engines is impeccable. Zero catastrophic decects like spun crank hubs, rod bearings, vanos issues, etc.

that is a sarcasm right ?

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by robopp

You’re right. The history of BMW S engines is impeccable. Zero catastrophic decects like spun crank hubs, rod bearings, vanos issues, etc.

Good thing there haven't been any high pressure fuel pump (HPFP) or excessive carbon buildup issues either. Thank goodness the engines are made in Germany or we might have had to have been subjected to that stuff.

[DB_Cooper]

Originally Posted by Ezra168

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-ha...nd-it-was-a-v8

Here’s a more recent article. I emailed BMW genus to see if mine will be affected, I’m week 2 production for 2024.

Any word if yours will be affected?

I wonder if any 2024s will be affected.

[nalnass]

Originally Posted by Ezra168

https://www.thedrive.com/news/bmw-ha...nd-it-was-a-v8

Here’s a more recent article. I emailed BMW genus to see if mine will be affected, I’m week 2 production for 2024.

Let us know what you find out!

[Ezra168]

Originally Posted by nalnass

Let us know what you find out!

Sorry forgot to post what they said last week…it wasn’t much help:

From BMW Genus:

“ At this time we have no information regarding any changes that have been made regarding engine production. However, I can confirm that your vehicle will be manufactured at our Dingolfing plant, located in Germany.”

When I clarified to ask about where the engine will be built, they replied:


“We are unable to confirm where your specific engine will be built. I recommend speaking with your client advisor at your authorized BMW center, as they are in the best position to provide more information.”

So far my dealership hasn’t responded.

They did confirm my build date of January 8, 2024

[evidence]

Originally Posted by Ezra168

From BMW Genus:

“ At this time we have no information regarding any changes that have been made regarding engine production. However, I can confirm that your vehicle will be manufactured at our Dingolfing plant, located in Germany.”

When I clarified to ask about where the engine will be built, they replied:

“We are unable to confirm where your specific engine will be built. I recommend speaking with your client advisor at your authorized BMW center, as they are in the best position to provide more information.”

Lack of confirmation and avoidance sounds like confirmation to me, on the engine. They specifically call out the vehicle will still be built in Germany, which is expected as the engines get shipped in from Austria.

[godunovs65]

Originally Posted by BryanCO

Why would the country the engine was produced in matter enough to change someone’s purchase plans?

It warms the heart to see "0% foreign parts" and "Engine: Germany Transmission: Germany"
M2 has a two-digit foreign part percentage, engine built in Austria, the car itself built in Mexico. It doesn't warm the heart, although the car is amazing.
So, OCD only. Truth be told, I'm tempted to get an M4 from the lot instead of waiting for a summer 2024 order for the same reason. But, I refuse to give in to OCD.

[Berzerker]

The fact that people actually care where their stuff is built vs who is actually building it is what is pretty laughable to me.

Look at the iPhone. It's been built in China for the last 15 years (though that's slowly changing) and it's one of the best, highest quality built pieces of technology on the planet. It's about quality control, standards, and adherence to abiding by those internally set standards and BMW has all 3 of them (usually, but no more usually than anything built in Germany).

[Ibiza]

Soon BMW engines will have a disclaimer where the rare earth metals for the EV battery’s were mined. BMW Group Steyr has been assembling engines for 40 years, as its life that the S engines are sadly no longer manufactured in Munich. Asembly looks fine:tps://fb.watch/oNR1tUe44n/?

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Berzerker

The fact that people actually care where their stuff is built vs who is actually building it is what is pretty laughable to me.

Look at the iPhone. It's been built in China for the last 15 years (though that's slowly changing) and it's one of the best, highest quality built pieces of technology on the planet. It's about quality control, standards, and adherence to abiding by those internally set standards and BMW has all 3 of them (usually, but no more usually than anything built in Germany).

There have been several well documented cases of cars that were produced in two separate factories in different countries where the quality control varied significantly. The most famous of this was when VW moved production to Mexico for North America. Total disaster. Also, a phone and a car are two completely different manufacturing processes.

[Berzerker]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

There have been several well documented cases of cars that were produced in two separate factories in different countries where the quality control varied significantly. The most famous of this was when VW moved production to Mexico for North America. Total disaster. Also, a phone and a car are two completely different manufacturing processes.

Ops is ops. Anything can be done well if you spend the money and the time to make it done well.

Of course something could be worse, but we don't know until we have examples, and I highly doubt BMW actually wants to make it worse.

My point is, just to simply say "if it's not built in Germany it's trash and I don't want it" is very short-sighted.

[/ / / M3]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

There have been several well documented cases of cars that were produced in two separate factories in different countries where the quality control varied significantly. The most famous of this was when VW moved production to Mexico for North America. Total disaster. Also, a phone and a car are two completely different manufacturing processes.

I can see people being upset if their M-car engine was built in, say, Zambia or Bangladesh. But I doubt there would be any meaningful difference in build quality between Germany and Austria. The Steyr plant is the largest BMW engine plant in the world.