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If I was the Russel boy , I wouldn't trust HAM and the Wolf . I'm pretty sure the Russell boy was already screwed from the moment he signed his Mercedes contract . On the other hand , It's really awesome for him to drive in the best F1 team with the fastest car out there... One thing that I really want to see is : MAX vs Russel with the Mercedes Warp-Speed ! Can't wait ...
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But in the race ...I'm lost in words by his lack of racecraft ! #GrandMa !
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IIRC he had hip replacement surgery - so likely more concerned about physio then dealing with this banter
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Merc may have an issue since they ran bendy after the FIA told all teams to stop the wing nonsense so I don’t agree about it being borderline (opinion) or pushing the boundaries but no point with getting into the legalese nomenclature. Consider the situation if RBR ran this after the first bendy wing fiasco, Merc exploited this and I suspect a draft protest is making the rounds of review internally at RBR. Can’t blame RBR for it. Toto’s hubris may whipsaw him. He needs to figure out a way to replicate the brazil closing speed at Saudi at all costs, otherwise RBR will have the final piece of the puzzle for the protest. His confirmation that they will be running the Brazil spec PU (another key piece of the puzzle) seems like a foolhardy thing to say out loud.
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https://www.grandprix.com/news/merce...-in-qatar.html From said article: Not true," a team source told Auto Motor und Sport. "The wing was not changed. "The wing was rock solid anyway. You could have hung 100 kilos on it - so maybe Red Bull will ask for 105kg next time." The only proof I have found about a wing change was the changed wing from the one that failed the drs gap inspection in Brazil, and this occured in Brazil. Otherwise nothing else discussed wing changes at all. Again it's most likely the Brazil top speed came from the new pu, especially if the rear wings were the same in Qatar, and there's absolutely no evidence that I can find that says it was a different wing.
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So unless you guys have proof of a rear wing change in Qatar then it's just more speculation, again I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Otherwise I guess we will really see what top speeds are like in Saudi with the Brazil ice back in.
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As I said to you before chatter box we don't work in Merc and it's based on our F1 knowledge,experience and engineering skills where you are just believing the Merc guru every time and...it's time for you to wake up and not believe fairy tales.
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I will be happy to retract all statements I made before regarding this matter if given evidence to prove the fact that they did change the wing. Otherwise I maintain the notion that mercedes is innocent until proven guilty - like I said before I maintain a neutral stance if mercedes is guilty I will call them out. If they are innocent I will defend them, same goes for all other teams but you guys really only pick on mercedes so yeah...
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1) In an earlier thread you did not believe in the power of understanding a car and car setup, and explicity demonstrated that you did not understand the fundamental process of what goes into engineering, product rnd, and testing. So I doubt you really understand the intracacies that go into engineering. Eg. you guys immediately freaked out about the squatting merc suspension saying it was gps controlled, despite the squat not occuring immediately on a straight and only occured as speed picked up (that is not what should occur on a gps controlled squat)- that right there shows you guys don't understand engineering and immediately jump to illogical conclusions. 2) You guys are not the people who should be telling others to stop believing in fairly tales. You literally pull quote, cherry pick, and gobble up everything that comes out of redbull (helmut marko, horner, max etc), regardless if it has any base in reality. I've picked and pulled apart what you guys write multiple times and logically explained why it's wrong. Yet you are unable to prove to me why I am wrong in the same surgical manner.
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Your many years of f1 experience is irrelevent when it comes down to making such large accusations about a team without proof or fact, and since you don't work in f1 that makes it even more clear that you can't be degrading a team like that especially when you don't understand the work that goes on behind the scenes. I also may not work in f1, but since I am not making huge liabelous accusations against a team without facts backing it I am fine. However that still allows me to call out and debunk any potential statements which are garbage by examining the statment itself by determining if there are holes in its logic. For example the false made up statement bmws dont pass emissions standards, the standards are just forged by bmw and stamped on the chassis so they can just sell the car. Well if this is the case how come 3rd party emissions testing like CARB in the US have not detected any issues with emissions? Why haven't they been sued by governments for a breach? See if you can find the hole in the logic behind a statement then you can debunk it.
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1) the engine is new so no deg 2) there aren't many races left so you can risk reliability for performance 3) the car squats reducing drag 4) the high speed nature of the track suits the mercedes setup better - again related to car setup. Also don't forget the mercedes in brazil didn't have the highest trap speeds, so the numbers are not irrational. And redbull was forced to run a bigger wing than normal because of their drs actuator issues resulting in more drag. Your explanation is a small amount of wing flex results in more top speed than the drs being wide open... Right an extra couple of mm - cm of space offers more performance than a wide open drs or the squatting rear end of the car which stalls the diffuser and drops a ton of drag. Totally makes sense.... Or maybe the fact that redbull literally has nothing to counter all the attributes 1-4 that mercedes has because their pu is old and thus makes less power than new which is likely less than mercedes even when new, their car can't squat to drop drag, their wing is too big because their drs is messed up. You guys literally can't look in reality for explanations you have to look in fantasy land.
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I stick with my beliefs of F1 knowledge, you can see how Fia overreacted to Horner's reasonable challenge,masi going into mothering mode protecting the errant marshall who panicked showing the flags inside the barrier at Max not the outside and calling in Horner to cover up their own weaknesses to save face. |
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And when the only thing you bring is your own knowledge your point of view narrows down to nothing, and you are subjected to bias. Even the rule of law is based on logical thinking and rationale, not just a judge saying this is what I think based on my years of experience no evidence needed. It is also a similar to what people call an arm chair quarter back, where the person watching thinks they know more than the people doing it - which is pretty much how you and m power behave, acting like you know more about mercedes are their supposed cheating (plenum, squatting suspension, engnie, DAS etc) vs. every team on the grid and their engineers who are the among the best on the planet. The FIA calls have nothing to do with the legality of mercedes's car. When you deal with humans you have to deal with emotion, and since the marshall was a volunteer you cannot expect perfect. Whereas legality of a car means fitting within a set of rules, if you pass the rules you have a legal car.
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