[Loma]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Is it just me or is also difficult for some to build up excitement for a sporty, BMW M car, that grew in dimensions and optimistically, is certainly going to touch the 4,000lbs+ mark, when fitted with an automatic transmission & XDrive, for the top-tier model.. And I'm not even getting started on it's exterior styling, which we know is a whole other novel..

The manual option looks decent, on the track but it really doesn't bring anything new to the table, that really sets it above its predecessor.. It's like; new lease, same shit :

It's appears as trilling as a Cadillac CTS-V, for the BMW crowd..

Anyways, that's just my opinion, I hope its targeted demographic has a difference outlook than I do and can grow to appreciate it..

Don't forget that the MxDrive will come later. It definitely doesn't help with the excitement.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Is it just me or is also difficult for some to build up excitement for a sporty, BMW M car, that grew in dimensions and optimistically, is certainly going to touch the 4,000lbs+ mark, when fitted with an automatic transmission & XDrive, for the top-tier model.. And I'm not even getting started on it's exterior styling, which we know is a whole other novel..

The manual option looks decent, on the track but it really doesn't bring anything new to the table, that really sets it above its predecessor.. It's like; new lease, same shit :

It's appears as trilling as a Cadillac CTS-V, for the BMW crowd..

Anyways, that's just my opinion, I hope its targeted demographic has a difference outlook than I do and can grow to appreciate it..

Well, it's all about expectation.

For example, I'm now in the market for the replacement for my 540i as the daily driver and grocery getter.

Suddenly, the dimension and weight of the new M3/M4 isn't all that ridiculous.

The powerplant, the easy to drive, and the look factor will influence my decision much more.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Loma

Don't forget that the MxDrive will come later. It definitely doesn't help with the excitement.

I certainly don't find anything appealing about XDrive, expect maybe to do some sick, power-siding, in the snow.. :

With a RWD platform, I can still accomplish most of what XDrive affords, simple by selecting some season-appropriate tires and using a dash of common sense..

[Loma]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I certainly don't find anything appealing about XDrive, expect maybe to do some sick, power-siding, in the snow.. :

With a RWD platform, I can still accomplish most of what XDrive affords, simple by selecting some season-appropriate tires and using a dash of common sense..

Seems reasonable. I think of it the other way around. With the xDrive you can select RWD mode but still have AWD for harsh winter (though you might argue that we don't get them anymore).

[swagon]

Originally Posted by MiamiFan13

Unlike people on this forum???? All I see is people looking for AWD models with autos. If BMW made 50% of these cars in manual, half these guys, and their wives, would be driving Audis.

They will never make 50% manuals, there are not enough buyers.

The take rate of the manual gearbox is still kinda significant in certain markets such as the USA, though. If it wasn't for Americans, I suspect there would be no manual in BMW M cars and Porsches, for example.

F80 M3 6MT take rate was 19.4% worldwide; of those 5,426 6MT cars ever built were 4,548 sold in the USA alone (84%).

I suspect the numbers for this generation are going to be slightly lower as AWD now being available will sway some people over to the auto-only Competition model.

I agree in that the introduction of forced induction and - more recently - AWD attracted a new, different group of M GmbH buyers who prefer to go in a straight line rather than round a twisty road or a track. But the industry-wide battles in lap times and magazine acceleration times are also partially to blame here. With M cars pushing over 500rwhp now comes great demand for traction and you know how many people complain about traction or lack thereof on the F80 and F10M boards.

[JJDW]

Originally Posted by Fhey

Oh dear. That's gonna be a very steep tax in Belgium.

What about ours! The Dutch tax is insane.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by MiamiFan13

Unlike people on this forum???? All I see is people looking for AWD models with autos. If BMW made 50% of these cars in manual, half these guys, and their wives, would be driving Audis.

Well I was trying to give some credit to the people on this forum 😂. If people on here don't go for the MT option, then there is literally no hope for MT after all...just take the manuals away, it's all over. Take it away like ripping off a bandaid, swift and painfully. 😉

[SliChillax]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

So it gets a candy-a LCD dash with double tach and digital speedo (no analog speedo)?

Weak.

Is this a drivers car?

Why? Does an analog speedo work differently than a digital one? The I guess race cars with digital dash aren't drivers cars either.

typical non drivers car

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by OF Hero

Are we really thinking that AWD comes "much" later? Like LCI later?

Well the LCI for the G80 should be 2023 if it follows the historical trend of the F80. But if it does there "could" be a 2.0 LCI as it will get the updates from the 3 then the 4 if the front ends get updated.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by xlover

Equally frustrated.... but I think following the rumors and even some of the first drive articles we should be able to order xdrive spring or summer... however I do kinda expect another buying surge for xdrive allocations, might be hard to get one at a fair price till fall 2021. This delay was probably a gift to dealers to give another round of adm/msrp sales.

Could be the result of production delays with COVID-19, only time will tell how long it takes for them to get the AWD system out. They may even limit launch it depending upon the markets. Hopefully, we will find out soon, but doubt it will be years to wait.. more or less months

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by teamraw

Why not an 8-speed DCT BMW

Would require tons of investment and costs with little return - or like Porsche, or the other exotic DCTs the cost is given to the buyer.

The only way BMW would be game for it is if they could use it across all cars and SUVs. But DCTs are rarely used in SUVs that have a potential to tow, and DCTs can be limited for high torque/hybrid powertrains/AWD unless designed from the ground up day one for it.

[AD18]

Interesting little upward flick on the wing mirrors. Is that different to current M wing mirrors?

[TheStanman]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Would require tons of investment and costs with little return - or like Porsche, or the other exotic DCTs the cost is given to the buyer.

It wasn't that long ago that that's exactly what M represented. Paying a premium for bespoke engines and transmissions. Now we still pay the M premium but don't get a unique product

Certainly saves BMW money though.

[petrolhead.]

This is the first time I see the new cluster layout - I think this is a lot better than the M340i layout with the rev counter on the right hand side. This however, I could live with - a bit more along the lines of AMG and Audi.

[mubarak]

Now what is the point going 19' front ,,20' rear wheels.
Come on ,,go 19' all a round or 20' all around .
Why mixing ?

[Crosuel]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I certainly don't find anything appealing about XDrive, expect maybe to do some sick, power-siding, in the snow.. :

With a RWD platform, I can still accomplish most of what XDrive affords, simple by selecting some season-appropriate tires and using a dash of common sense..

As a former owner of a 2018 M4 Comp I'm happy to see that the new generation will have the M x drive. The Fx gen M4 was at the limit with 450 hp and at midrange was overpowering the rear wheels. In wet weather it was mostly unusable and I can recall situations where at 40mph I was overtaking a slower car and my car was fishtailing at momentary 80% throttle on a sunny day. I'm hoping that the M xdrive will smooth the new car out.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Could be the result of production delays with COVID-19, only time will tell how long it takes for them to get the AWD system out. They may even limit launch it depending upon the markets. Hopefully, we will find out soon, but doubt it will be years to wait.. more or less months

Apparently due to the lung grills, a lot of F8x customers will be walking to other brands, there should not be a huge demand then for a fair price. But, for some reason I don't believe the chatter of the haters going to a different brand.

[SeanWRT]

Originally Posted by mubarak

Now what is the point going 19' front ,,20' rear wheels.
Come on ,,go 19' all a round or 20' all around .
Why mixing ?

All about chassis tuning.

For a given damping level, shorter tyre wall enables softer damping, at back it improves traction.

At front, taller tyre wall leads to stiffer damping which minimize nose dip (understeer).

In summary, the combo is engineered to maximize traction and control over/understeer bias.

[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

All about chassis tuning.

For a given damping level, shorter tyre wall enables softer damping, at back it improves traction.

At front, taller tyre wall leads to stiffer damping which minimize nose dip (understeer).

In summary, the combo is engineered to maximize traction and control over/understeer bias.

thanks for the input. I think the GT3 or at least the GT3RS does this.

[blinkme323]

AWD late 2021 / early 2022. I think someone on here mentioned this timeline a few months ago and got blasted for it, but they may actually be right.

[Ibiza]

Originally Posted by blinkme323

AWD late 2021 / early 2022. I think someone on here mentioned this timeline a few months ago and got blasted for it, but they may actually be right.

With an increased engine HP/torque output to justify the MxDrive.

[mbanck]

One tidbit from the Auto BILD video: the brakes will be adjustable, like on the M8...