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      09-16-2020, 03:21 PM   #45
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-hood looks longer and larger than other generations
-carbon all around
-kidneys are so imposing they really stand out in a good way
-front lights and "corona" add to aggressiveness
-the sideskirts are very pronounced, love them
-the exhaust tips are huge, very impressive
-rear bumper very nice too

I think it has some sort of Nissan GTR vibe and i like it

i wasnt impressed by the M4 but it was in isle of man green and it looks like a toy as somebody said, and its is soooo big , too big for me

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-unnecessary the lines in the hood
-rear fenders on the m3. They are there but look better and more pronouced on an F80.


and i find m440i pretty aggressive, yes, but i'm not crazy about it... have yet to see it IRL
Hmmm interesting how it all looks different to different people. I saw the new M3 and it looks ok but not enough for me to really want it. I mean after owning f80, g80 seems familiar with just some (although nice) updates. So I m looking for ward to see M4. I may jump the BMW ship when my lease expires in 2022 as I m getting tired of the same design and character feeling when there is so much fish in the pond....
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interesting that its 5,000 more than the X3MC
more than I expected, thought maybe $2,000, but maybe there are things it has the X3MC doesn't...

what is really interesting is a X5M is $2,000 more in US than M5
But looks like a M3 will be $4,000 more than X3M. Seems like X3M would cost more to build with same M parts as M3.

another things to point out, M340i is $2,000 less than X3 M40i
maybe someone can fill me in on the EXTRA cost of the M3 over X3M
You should mostly ignore the European pricing and focus on the comparable USA pricing structure. There are vastly different regulations governing vehicle pricing when it comes to vehicle size,emissions, and taxation.

X3 M40i and m340 xdrive = $100 difference ( your comparison was rwd vs the xdrive suv)

Looking at the existing relevant m performance and full m lineups (x3/x4, 3/4/5, x5/x6) all in all we are talking about pricing within 2-3% between the suv and sedan cousin, between sedan/suv and coupe/suv coupe version. I would not expect the M3/m4 to diverge wildly from that logic
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      09-16-2020, 04:35 PM   #47
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What was the pricing for the F8X generation in belgium?
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      09-16-2020, 05:53 PM   #48
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No panic!

The F82 DKG competition was available as from ~94k€ in Belgium. The price indication mentioned here for the G82 is ~93,5k€ for the comparable competition vehicle RWD which delivers a serious upgrade on most levels (except exterior styling)

When this indication is reliable for the other markets, prices will remain about the same and render the value proposition even more exciting.
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      09-16-2020, 05:59 PM   #49
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You should mostly ignore the European pricing and focus on the comparable USA pricing structure. There are vastly different regulations governing vehicle pricing when it comes to vehicle size,emissions, and taxation.

X3 M40i and m340 xdrive = $100 difference ( your comparison was rwd vs the xdrive suv)

Looking at the existing relevant m performance and full m lineups (x3/x4, 3/4/5, x5/x6) all in all we are talking about pricing within 2-3% between the suv and sedan cousin, between sedan/suv and coupe/suv coupe version. I would not expect the M3/m4 to diverge wildly from that logic
Makes sense and I'm expecting to pay something similar to the X3MC price for a G80 M3 AWD Competition.

Also the €90k price posted is for the non-competition X3M so I dont see how the non-competition M3 is more expensive than the X3M.
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      09-16-2020, 06:01 PM   #50
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BTW, I don't believe that context today is that they can charge substantially more for a ICE only car which will become very soon (or already is) totally ecological irrelevant, at least in Europe. When they want to keep the project viable, they need to sell sufficient high volumes. Increasing the price to only appeal to a core of die hard fans is not going to do the trick!

Also, I reckon BMW is already confronted with a few commercial setbacks because of price setting optimism.

The 8 series are no fast moving items, I still need to see my first new Z4 over here and the X3M value is tanking faster than a brick. Further, I wonder how the X2 is contributing to the ebitda of BMW, I would expect not at all?
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Also, I reckon BMW is already confronted with a few commercial setbacks because of price setting optimism.

The 8 series are no fast moving items, I still need to see my first new Z4 over here and the X3M value is tanking faster than a brick. Further, I wonder how the X2 is contributing to the ebitda of BMW, I would expect not at all?
I wonder how much the X3M value is dropping due to the hard suspension everyone keeps talking about. No one is really tracking that car so it needs to be a good daily. I haven't ridden in one personally but every review I read says the suspension is unbearable.

How much different is it compared to the M3 Comp?
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I wonder how much the X3M value is dropping due to the hard suspension everyone keeps talking about. No one is really tracking that car so it needs to be a good daily. I haven't ridden in one personally but every review I read says the suspension is unbearable.

How much different is it compared to the M3 Comp?
Never have driven it either, but Joe Achilles did a short review here:


Worrying review actually for the harshness of the ride but also, unexpected, the lack of torque underneath 2500rpm which in combo with a heavy SUV is killing the M daily experience.
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I wonder how much the X3M value is dropping due to the hard suspension everyone keeps talking about. No one is really tracking that car so it needs to be a good daily. I haven't ridden in one personally but every review I read says the suspension is unbearable.

How much different is it compared to the M3 Comp?
It isn't plush but it isn't even close to as bad as reviews as long as you know what an M car feels like.

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Never have driven it either, but Joe Achilles did a short review here:

Worrying review actually for the harshness of the ride but also, unexpected, the lack of torque underneath 2500rpm which in combo with a heavy SUV is killing the M daily experience.
Joe Achilles is a nonsensical fool. My X3MC is the best daily I've owned and the ride quality is fine. You figure out the powerband and transmission and the turbo threshold is not an issue. Then you redline 3rd and 4th gear and don't care about 2k rpms.

Also my minimal options X3MC stickered at $80k, got it for $67k with discount and incentives which was common on the 2020s. So price isn't always what it seems and especially with the fugly G8x, discounts shouldn't be a problem.
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      09-17-2020, 02:32 AM   #54
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We can probably add another €10k to the price in the form of registration tax.
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      09-17-2020, 02:35 AM   #55
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I'm playing catchup here because I was trying to buy a c8 but chevy went all weird on me 😁 so I apologize if this has been answered already but does anyone know if you can get a base M3 in auto? From what I read it sounds like probably not but nobodys sure
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      09-17-2020, 06:54 AM   #56
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Hi there,

I just saw the M3 and M4 tonite and they were awesome !!!!
I'm kinda relieved after all these rumors and forum hate...

Frozen dark grey M3 competition : aggressive bad boy 3
Isle of Man M4 competiton : mini M8

I also saw the pricing: (official BMW Belgium prices incl taxes):

M3 (man,2wd) : 84.750 €
M3 comp (2wd) : 91.000 €
M3 comp (4wd) : 96.000 €

add 2500 € for the M4
, and the vert is like only competition 4wd and at something like 104.000 (cant remember exactly)

They are aggressive as f**k and really make a statement, i cant wait to test drive one. the Next big ?? is the sound, please BMW dont fuck up the sound....
Well that was easy to decide - Porsche 911 GTS it is.
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      09-17-2020, 07:12 AM   #57
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Joe Achilles is a nonsensical fool. My X3MC is the best daily I've owned and the ride quality is fine. You figure out the powerband and transmission and the turbo threshold is not an issue. Then you redline 3rd and 4th gear and don't care about 2k rpms.

Also my minimal options X3MC stickered at $80k, got it for $67k with discount and incentives which was common on the 2020s. So price isn't always what it seems and especially with the fugly G8x, discounts shouldn't be a problem.
Ok, I get what your saying here...you can drive around the torque issue. But that also supports Joe Achilles conclusion that there is an issue. And for a Car to be a great DD, I think it should be great when driven in a relaxed manner, not just when you thrash the nuts off it!
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Ok, I get what your saying here...you can drive around the torque issue. But that also supports Joe Achilles conclusion that there is an issue. And for a Car to be a great DD, I think it should be great when driven in a relaxed manner, not just when you thrash the nuts off it!
My point is that if you don't drive it like a moron (see him trying to floor it in high gear) it isn't a problem. If you want to stoplight drag race or hit those <4s 0-60 times, you'll need to engage launch control but otherwise it moves off just fine with a hint of lag while 1st gear gets up to 3k. I have an M340i as well and I prefer the throttle response and daily driver characteristics of the X3M. M340i is good and certainly more power below 3k, but throttle tip-in feels lethargic compared to X3M. G80 M3 should be even better since it will be some 700 lbs less weight.
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My point is that if you don't drive it like a moron (see him trying to floor it in high gear) it isn't a problem. If you want to stoplight drag race or hit those <4s 0-60 times, you'll need to engage launch control but otherwise it moves off just fine with a hint of lag while 1st gear gets up to 3k. I have an M340i as well and I prefer the throttle response and daily driver characteristics of the X3M. M340i is good and certainly more power below 3k, but throttle tip-in feels lethargic compared to X3M. G80 M3 should be even better since it will be some 700 lbs less weight.
And don’t forget that an insider have indicated that the G8X has a revised S58 with at a minimum a very different intake system with more optimized routing with shorter piping. Once you change something more changes are likely implemented as ECU tuning to adjust to changes in physical characteristics.
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And don’t forget that an insider have indicated that the G8X has a revised S58 with at a minimum a very different intake system with more optimized routing with shorter piping. Once you change something more changes are likely implemented as ECU tuning to adjust to changes in physical characteristics.
I presume that what you need to fix this lethargic behaviour below 2500rpm, is a turbo that builds more pressure at low rpm's. Less inertion in the air inflow with wider and shorter air inlet is improving the dynamic behaviour, but not improving the boost. I'd not appreciate that the transmission has to save the experience while picking-up as from low rpm's since >90% of the time, I drive below 2500rpm actually. Probably, I'am just getting too old for these kind of cars.
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BMW is making the only version worth buying the cheapest. Yay!

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We can probably add another €10k to the price in the form of registration tax.
The current M4C Coupe, based on

2,998 CC
331 KW
213 CO2 g/km (DKG of-course)

yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting (yearly)
€ 938,61
Belasting op inverkeerstelling (once when you buy it)
€ 4.522,36
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting (additional)
€ 0

If we retain the engine size and CO2, but bump up the KW to 372 (500hp) we get

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 946,2
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 4.861,83
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0

If we also bump up the CO2 to 230, that yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 989,16
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 7.215,06
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0


So you can see the pay once tax goes up a LOT by CO2.
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The current M4C Coupe, based on

2,998 CC
331 KW
213 CO2 g/km (DKG of-course)

yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting (yearly)
€ 938,61
Belasting op inverkeerstelling (once when you buy it)
€ 4.522,36
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting (additional)
€ 0

If we retain the engine size and CO2, but bump up the KW to 372 (500hp) we get

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 946,2
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 4.861,83
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0

If we also bump up the CO2 to 230, that yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 989,16
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 7.215,06
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0


So you can see the pay once tax goes up a LOT by CO2.
Yep, I know. I am, sadly, well aware of the registration tax in Belgium.
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The current M4C Coupe, based on

2,998 CC
331 KW
213 CO2 g/km (DKG of-course)

yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting (yearly)
€ 938,61
Belasting op inverkeerstelling (once when you buy it)
€ 4.522,36
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting (additional)
€ 0

If we retain the engine size and CO2, but bump up the KW to 372 (500hp) we get

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 946,2
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 4.861,83
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0

If we also bump up the CO2 to 230, that yields

Jaarlijkse verkeersbelasting
€ 989,16
Belasting op inverkeerstelling
€ 7.215,06
Aanvullende verkeersbelasting
€ 0


So you can see the pay once tax goes up a LOT by CO2.
This week, it has gotten worse, government is debating: zero emission as from 2026 here for leased cars! And as I see it, it will come through!

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So if we reasonably assume the US base model will start at about $70k, we can expect the AWD Competition model to be ~$80k to start.
Can live with that
With all the goodies $90k. About the price I expected
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In The Netherlands it will be priced at 144K
Same pice as the X3M.
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