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      08-25-2020, 03:00 PM   #67
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Almost looks like an Audi RS6 avant with that big grille up front Looks pretty darn good in the back them wide body arches tho
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Wow... 17 posts before a knock on the grill. I guess wagon enthusiasts get it.

Iím going Coupť but I would love to see the tourers. One to the U.S. market. I think a wagon is so much cooler than a big ass, big dollar, big grilled SUV. Iíll never understand high performance SUVs. A touring wagon is like old school hot rod.
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      08-25-2020, 03:22 PM   #69
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I guess someone should tell Audi, Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Buick, and even Porsche. The problem is BMW doesn't have a sales case for wagons in the US that makes sense for *them*. Enthusiasts want them, particularly performance wagons. Those actually do just fine here, even if the volume isn't high. But, as we have to mention time and again, that's the point. We like them rare and special.
The problem with telling Volvo, MBenz, Jaguar is that a large portion of these cars are made to order. Dealers don't stock them. Simply put, it's not a good business plan where the majority of buyers prefer SUVs.
For example, cars.com has over 2 thousand new E Class models cars, you know how many are wagons? 142. Want to know how many total new E63s (the high performance wagon, the same market that BMW would be chasing for the G81), 13. There are 13 total new E63S wagons for sale in America.
Volvo V90 R-Design models? 27, total, in the entire country.

Enthusiast wagons simply don't sell. Sure, there are plenty of VW Jetta Sportwagons and Golf Sportwagons but they have a cult following and their own SUVs outsell those. It's a completely different customer that BMW is chasing with a $80K wagon. Unfortunately for us, there' aren't enough customers to make it profitable.
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      08-25-2020, 03:28 PM   #70
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Well, in another thread I went on record saying that I would buy this car if they bring it to the states, and if it didn't have the grilles.

Sadly, it has the grilles

But, the hopeful part of me wonders if maybe they will fix the front in the LCI.
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      08-25-2020, 03:36 PM   #71
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Don't be salty because the USA is the only country that doesn't pay $10/gallon for gas, thereby allowing us to drive whatever we want! lol
I'm not salty, I'm guilty fueling the SAC craze as I have a current gas guzzler X5M, prior to, had a V8 X5 50i and recently placed an order for a 2021 X5M. Living in the southeast, premium is around $2 per gallon.

We also don't pay emission taxes in the US, such in Europe were M cars are D and F grades = high taxes. Why the US is such a large M market, we're not taxed on emissions.
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      08-25-2020, 03:38 PM   #72
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I'm not salty, I'm guilty fueling the SAC craze as I have a current gas guzzler X5M, prior to, had a V8 X5 50i and recently placed an order for a 2021 X5M. Living in the southeast, premium is around $2 per gallon.

We also don't pay emission taxes in the US, such in Europe were M cars are D and F grades = high taxes. Why the US is such a large M market, we're not taxed on emissions.
Based on your previous comment about "fellow citizens" (and the fact that i was viewing the forums on an iPhone and could not see your location) i mistakenly thought you were based in Europe.
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Whilst not a fan of the design language in the new M3/M4, this looks great even before the camo has come off. The grille sits so much better to me on this shape.
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      08-25-2020, 03:43 PM   #74
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      08-25-2020, 03:53 PM   #75
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Almost looks like an Audi RS6 avant with that big grille up front Looks pretty darn good in the back them wide body arches tho

Seeing an RS6 in person, it is a much bigger vehicle. The G81 will feel much more nimble and spirited. IMO - Enthusiasts want a wagon larger than a hatchback, but not as large as the RS6.

M3/G81 is the perfect size.
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Based on your previous comment about "fellow citizens" (and the fact that i was viewing the forums on an iPhone and could not see your location) i mistakenly thought you were based in Europe.
👍 But I am salty about COVID cancelling my bimonthly vacations to Europe, 2 M track programs in DE and IT, and finally Oktoberfest for my planned 4th ED for a swan song F83 ZCP— now waiting for the G83, which will be available in the US
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      08-25-2020, 04:24 PM   #77
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I have my Interest registered. Now to wait.
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      08-25-2020, 04:30 PM   #78
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I have my Interest registered. Now to wait.
Can we just split that one particular E34?
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      08-25-2020, 04:31 PM   #79
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Kudos to BMW for this one 👍

Now ditch the ugly grille or offer us at least a „classic grille" bumper option.. even if it's just as an overpriced aftermarket m performance part.. 😟
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      08-25-2020, 05:03 PM   #80
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Oh man, it does look sick! It comes down under so we are set. Would love to see an M5 variant...
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      08-25-2020, 05:05 PM   #81
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Looks really good... I rather the sedan but trading the X5M for this wouldn't be a bad choice either..🤔
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      08-25-2020, 05:14 PM   #82
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So if we are not getting a G series wagon I guess this isn't coming to the US?
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Dear BMW please forgive me for everything I said about the grills. They're still god-awful ugly but if you make this manual and send it stateside I will shut up and even stop my comments on your IG lol.
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The problem with telling Volvo, MBenz, Jaguar is that a large portion of these cars are made to order. Dealers don't stock them. Simply put, it's not a good business plan where the majority of buyers prefer SUVs.
For example, cars.com has over 2 thousand new E Class models cars, you know how many are wagons? 142. Want to know how many total new E63s (the high performance wagon, the same market that BMW would be chasing for the G81), 13. There are 13 total new E63S wagons for sale in America.
Volvo V90 R-Design models? 27, total, in the entire country.

Enthusiast wagons simply don't sell. Sure, there are plenty of VW Jetta Sportwagons and Golf Sportwagons but they have a cult following and their own SUVs outsell those. It's a completely different customer that BMW is chasing with a $80K wagon. Unfortunately for us, there' aren't enough customers to make it profitable.
The first V60 Polestar sold out sight unseen here. Because it was amazing? No, because Volvo has bred rabid wagon fans over the years who craved performance. The CTS-V was expected to flop, but they managed to sell many more than they planned. It was a RWD wagon with a corvette engine and a stick. Enthusiasts lusted after it. Cadillac didn't create that demand, but they tapped into it, and created an iconic car.

BMW could do the same. They simply don't want to throw any money into it, and that's fine. It doesn't make business sense to them. But saying their hands are tied because performance wagons don't sell is a bit off. They don't sell in huge numbers, but few great cars do.
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Can we just split that one particular E34?
The 400ps one?
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Can we just split that one particular E34?
The 400ps one?
No. This one has about 640ps.
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Oh man, it does look sick! It comes down under so we are set. Would love to see an M5 variant...
Yes! Put the F90 motor and trans in it and I'm all in.
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