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      08-25-2020, 01:18 PM   #45
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Cause there is G23 coming to Merica, as there is past precedent for a M3/M4 vert. The M8 vert is a huge failure, and BMW NA needs one M vert for the US market.

Wagons are for the European markets, can thank your fellow citizens for fueling the SUV/SAV craze.
Don't be salty because the USA is the only country that doesn't pay $10/gallon for gas, thereby allowing us to drive whatever we want! lol
We also have big wide straight roads
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i wonder if they think this will cannibalize SUV sales and therefor not bring it stateside? Can you imagine a RWD 6 Speed Competition Wagon?!?! Obviously not happening but a cool idea nonetheless.
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I've never understood why some people like the wagon look. Not sporty to me at all.
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      08-25-2020, 01:43 PM   #48
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I've never understood why some people like the wagon look. Not sporty to me at all.
In Europe starting in earnest with the first Audi Avant with the raked tail gate wagons were regarded as sportier than sedans. They were the sport utility vehicles before the SUV. Cars like the RS Avants, M5 Touring, 850 T red wagon etc. were daily driver dream cars for the young motor enthusiasts. I was one of them.

Now seeing this video make me realize I’m over it. I have little desire for one today. Still think it looks cool though.
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low demand for wagons in the US
I guess someone should tell Audi, Volvo, Mercedes Benz, Jaguar, Buick, and even Porsche. The problem is BMW doesn't have a sales case for wagons in the US that makes sense for *them*. Enthusiasts want them, particularly performance wagons. Those actually do just fine here, even if the volume isn't high. But, as we have to mention time and again, that's the point. We like them rare and special.
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I've never understood why some people like the wagon look. Not sporty to me at all.
The idea is it's a bit of a sleeper, like many wagons. The point is it doesn't look sporty, until you try to race one.
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In Europe starting in earnest with the first Audi Avant with the raked tail gate wagons were regarded as sportier than sedans. They were the sport utility vehicles before the SUV. Cars like the RS Avants, M5 Touring, 850 T red wagon etc. were daily driver dream cars for the young motor enthusiasts. I was one of them.

Now seeing this video make me realize I'm over it. I have little desire for one today. Still think it looks cool though.
Yeah I was mostly thinking from a US point of view. I know there's some history in Europe. Either way I don't think the shape is attractive. Looks more proportional on an SUV.
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We also have big wide straight roads
And giant parking lots, giant driveways, giant garages, giant side streets, etc. The first time you drive in Europe, you'll understand why a GTI is a perfectly sized family car
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We also have big wide straight roads
that's part of it, yes. but in europe SUV's are certainly purchased, but only by the very wealthy.
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i wonder if they think this will cannibalize SUV sales and therefor not bring it stateside? Can you imagine a RWD 6 Speed Competition Wagon?!?! Obviously not happening but a cool idea nonetheless.
For sure this.

Import the more costly to build M3 wagon or sell just the state-side assembled, m-sport or full ///M, high-margin SAVs... easy choice for BMWNA.
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And giant parking lots, giant driveways, giant garages, giant side streets, etc. The first time you drive in Europe, you'll understand why a GTI is a perfectly sized family car
I've driven in london, rome, germany, etc. I rented a GTI for one of those trips lol.
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I've driven in london, rome, germany, etc. I rented a GTI for one of those trips lol.
It's a totally different world there. First time I drove in Rome, I remember thinking "where tf are the painted lines on the road??"
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It's a totally different world there. First time I drove in Rome, I remember thinking "where tf are the painted lines on the road??"
Not needed, lanes are dynamic, if you fit, its a lane
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Not needed, lanes are dynamic, if you fit, its a lane
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My dogs will be relieved at not having to travel in the sedan trunk now...

I'm kidding, I would never put my dogs in the boot, they prefer the roof rack!
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The idea is it's a bit of a sleeper, like many wagons. The point is it doesn't look sporty, until you try to race one.
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It's a totally different world there. First time I drove in Rome, I remember thinking "where tf are the painted lines on the road??"
Not to COMPLETELY go off topic, but when I was 17 i rented a motorized scooter in rome and i honestly don't know how I am here to tell the tale.
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I would so want one if it makes it to the US!!
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Oooooooh Boy! Why no US release...

Lovely wagon!
Probably because we call them wagons instead of estates! JK because we don't buy them. 10/10 would buy though.
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Dear BMW please forgive me for everything I said about the grills. They're still god-awful ugly but if you make this manual and send it stateside I will shut up and even stop my comments on your IG lol.
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i wonder if they think this will cannibalize SUV sales and therefor not bring it stateside? Can you imagine a RWD 6 Speed Competition Wagon?!?! Obviously not happening but a cool idea nonetheless.
If they kept it rear wheel drive and manual I can't imagine all the soccer moms wanting it as they all seem to think they need AWD for some reason.
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