[Neptune7]

Do you have the ability to keep the traction control on (level 10) with 2WD?

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Do you have the ability to keep the traction control on (level 10) with 2WD?

Yes, it looks the way, the full 10 levels seem to be available in 2WD mode.

It does make me wonder what the difference is between Level 10 traction control with the DSC off...and the DSC simply remaining on. Once you turn traction control completely off, but leave the it in Level 10, what do you lose (or gain) by simply keeping traction control on? Does DSC Off and Level 10 still allow you to slide/drift a bit, or does it reel you in like you have the DSC On? Well, that would make no sense, there must be a difference.

[ibimmer954]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Yes, it looks the way, the full 10 levels seem to be available in 2WD mode.

It does make me wonder what the difference is between Level 10 traction control with the DSC off...and the DSC simply remaining on. Once you turn traction control completely off, but leave the it in Level 10, what do you lose (or gain) by simply keeping traction control on? Does DSC Off and Level 10 still allow you to slide/drift a bit, or does it reel you in like you have the DSC On? Well, that would make no sense, there must be a difference.

The DSC Off and 10 levels things was described in an earlier video in more detail.

My interpretation of this video is that DSC Off implies 2WD drive only. So for those who will track this vehicle there doesn't seem to be a big advantage in getting the M xDrive version unless you want it for the street. At least that's my guess at this point. Will be useful to hear reviews of people trying to track an xDrive vehicle.

I own a 911 C4S and I have to say that the Porsche AWD has crazy grip whenever you are under throttle. Maybe this vehicle will feature that, too.

[messiry]

Is that lateral manager ICU something new or is it coming down from the M5/8 to the smaller M3/4? The modes he described in the video are the same as F9x except for the 10 stage traction.

So the M3 AWD is around 1860KG, that's 70Kg less than F90, so why we should get it over F90 that has much more power?
Did I miss understood anything here?

[Lovegreatcars]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

It's not bad. It does bump up the weight of a car that is already on the heavy side. I get that they invested a lot of time stiffening up the chassis to help improve the ride but it's a shame they couldn't have at shed a few more pounds here and there. I also realize that there's a balancing act as reducing weight adds cost so it is what it is and it's nice to have the option as it will make the car easier to live with 12 months a year in northern climates. AWD will overcome the added weight regardless in most cases.

anyone else find it ironic that a guy with the handle heavyD is somewhat disappointed about added weight?

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Yes, it looks the way, the full 10 levels seem to be available in 2WD mode.

It does make me wonder what the difference is between Level 10 traction control with the DSC off...and the DSC simply remaining on. Once you turn traction control completely off, but leave the it in Level 10, what do you lose (or gain) by simply keeping traction control on? Does DSC Off and Level 10 still allow you to slide/drift a bit, or does it reel you in like you have the DSC On? Well, that would make no sense, there must be a difference.

At this point I'm wondering why release a RWD-only M3 Comp at all? Just for the weight savings?

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

At this point I'm wondering why release a RWD-only M3 Comp at all? Just for the weight savings?

Well you can't have the "base" car with the auto ZF8 so..

[solstice]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

At this point I'm wondering why release a RWD-only M3 Comp at all? Just for the weight savings?

You have a lot of people skeptical of AWD, mainly of outdated reasons irrelevant to M Xdrive but also some valid reasons the remain as extra point of failures and wear.

It’s great that both are on offer not to alienate traditionalists and purists.

[SFBavarianArea]

Was anyone else zooming in on those background vehicles??

Come on M8 CSL

[SFBavarianArea]

Was anyone else zooming in on the background prototypes???

Come on M8 CSL

[SFBavarianArea]

Anyone else zooming in on those background prototypes??

[SFBavarianArea]

M8 CSL

[Jcali86]

Someone's excited ^

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

At this point I'm wondering why release a RWD-only M3 Comp at all? Just for the weight savings?

Yes, I thought the same thing, Nep. Maybe just for the RWD pure experience, which I will probably indulge in myself for this first go around, just for a little weight savings and less costs. I can opt in to the AWD version later if I'd like.

Though if I'm keeping the car long term (and I may, since I'm buying the G8X because of these incredibly low interest rates), the RWD likely offers me a less expensive ownership experience. I may opt in for RWD even as an LCI replacement, which may be a "keeper" for me (just like I'm keeping my E93 until it dies), since the next M is likely going to be a hybrid with a super complex powertrain.

Time will tell.

Leaning towards RWD for now since the new chassis seems to have a splendid chassis and can put the power down, coupled with the 10-stage traction when you want to simply have some fun, under control.

[Neptune7]

Originally Posted by KevinGS

Yes, I thought the same thing, Nep. Maybe just for the RWD pure experience, which I will probably indulge in myself for this first go around, just for a little weight savings and less costs. I can opt in to the AWD version later if I'd like.

Though if I'm keeping the car long term (and I may, since I'm buying the G8X because of these incredibly low interest rates), the RWD likely offers me a less expensive ownership experience. I may opt in for RWD even as an LCI replacement, which may be a "keeper" for me (just like I'm keeping my E93 until it dies), since the next M is likely going to be a hybrid with a super complex powertrain.

Time will tell.

Leaning towards RWD for now since the new chassis seems to have a splendid chassis and can put the power down, coupled with the 10-stage traction when you want to simply have some fun, under control.

Makes sense. I thought that with traction control available in RWD mode, the xDrive now offers everything the RWD car does plus winter versatility.

[KevinGS]

Originally Posted by Neptune7

Makes sense. I thought that with traction control available in RWD mode, the xDrive now offers everything the RWD car does plus winter versatility.

Indeed, the AWD version is a brilliant choice if the steering and chassis remain solid with the addition of a bit of weight, especially if you're only keeping the car while it's under warranty.

[ghaffari46]

I hope they make stick shift all wheel drive.

And yes, they can if they want to.

(I used to have a manual 335 x drive coupe, such a fun car in snowy Pennsylvania)

[brava09]

Originally Posted by messiry

Is that lateral manager ICU something new or is it coming down from the M5/8 to the smaller M3/4? The modes he described in the video are the same as F9x except for the 10 stage traction.

So the M3 AWD is around 1860KG, that's 70Kg less than F90, so why we should get it over F90 that has much more power?
Did I miss understood anything here?

Yeah, although almost same weight the M5 is very large, so a smaller package may be more fun to throw it around corners. Kind of same thing with M2 vs f80 M4, where basically same weight most people found M2 more fun because smaller size

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by messiry

Is that lateral manager ICU something new or is it coming down from the M5/8 to the smaller M3/4? The modes he described in the video are the same as F9x except for the 10 stage traction.

So the M3 AWD is around 1860KG, that's 70Kg less than F90, so why we should get it over F90 that has much more power?
Did I miss understood anything here?

By the numbers
M3 is 1745 kg (7.63 lbs/hp)
M3 xDrive is 1795 kg (7.85 lbs/hp)
M5 is 1975 kg (7.24 lbs/hp)

That's 180 kg or 396 lbs difference between M5 and AWD M3. Don't make things up.

I am very very excited for the first AWD M3! And now with 2WD mode including adjustable traction control? Are you kidding me?! So amazing. I guess this seals it that M Drive Professional is a must have on the AWD version.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

I would gladly take the AWD version any day of the week.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by jpsimon

Fiona seems way brighter/more saturated based on all the photos I've seen unless they color corrected it to be more muted. I could be 100% wrong though that's for sure. It looks really good in this video.

Photos are often not accurate, had the same reflexion when ordering my g20. Once i got it delivered with fiona red interior, it's just like that in the video, looks great red but not too much. Photos tend to make it way more red than it actually is.

[thaalrasha]

Originally Posted by solstice

You have a lot of people skeptical of AWD, mainly of outdated reasons irrelevant to M Xdrive but also some valid reasons the remain as extra point of failures and wear.

It’s great that both are on offer not to alienate traditionalists and purists.

Often, even in Porsche, the RWD version has better steering feel vs AWD.

Second point is emissions, usually the AWD has worse fuel consumption and sometimes get thrown in another tax bracket (same story with the manuals vs autos). So depending on the country's regulations the price markup can be significant between the 2.