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      02-09-2021, 01:08 PM   #45
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Id bet they use the red GT3 grilles as the wow factor
I hope not, I think the M4 GT3 would look fantastic in just the blue color coming through on the right in the picture above mixed with CF trim. The red grill is too much and looks like lipstick on a muscle man, not my thing
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This. Will. Never. Happen.

BMW has effectively killed the "Motorsports" in M GmbH. They appear to be phasing out of racing altogether as there's no short term contribution derived from the sport to aid in the bottom line.

The Board of Management has been given a hard directive to make the roundel singularly focused on "cash grab" only. No more heritage, no more engineering pedigree, pure margin.

The last mainstream homologous special with a roll cage was what, the E36 M3 LTW?
How do you explain the M4 GT3 in this context?
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How do you explain the M4 GT3 in this context?
Or the M2 CS Racing for that matter
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How do you explain the M4 GT3 in this context?
The CEO told him.
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      02-09-2021, 06:25 PM   #49
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This. Will. Never. Happen.

BMW has effectively killed the "Motorsports" in M GmbH. They appear to be phasing out of racing altogether as there's no short term contribution derived from the sport to aid in the bottom line.

The Board of Management has been given a hard directive to make the roundel singularly focused on "cash grab" only. No more heritage, no more engineering pedigree, pure margin.

The last mainstream homologous special with a roll cage was what, the E36 M3 LTW?
Optimism is always welcome!

They're still racing. Borderline outdated equipment for the time being, but nonetheless. You'll still see Bill Auberlen and plenty of M cars on an IMSA weekend. And yeah, M4 GT3 pending, M2 CS Racing is awesome.

"Mainstream" with roll cage? No, but GTS has one. They need to keep that going, just add compatible seats and harnesses this time around so it's not some sort of cruel joke.
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I'd love to see a CSL for all the two door variants, including an M8 CSL.
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Optimism is always welcome!

They're still racing. Borderline outdated equipment for the time being, but nonetheless. You'll still see Bill Auberlen and plenty of M cars on an IMSA weekend. And yeah, M4 GT3 pending, M2 CS Racing is awesome.

"Mainstream" with roll cage? No, but GTS has one. They need to keep that going, just add compatible seats and harnesses this time around so it's not some sort of cruel joke.
The GTS is available with proper track seats and harness, just not in North America. Blame the US legal system for that... But at least it's possible to retrofit with all OEM parts.
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This. Will. Never. Happen.

BMW has effectively killed the "Motorsports" in M GmbH. They appear to be phasing out of racing altogether as there's no short term contribution derived from the sport to aid in the bottom line.

The Board of Management has been given a hard directive to make the roundel singularly focused on "cash grab" only. No more heritage, no more engineering pedigree, pure margin.

The last mainstream homologous special with a roll cage was what, the E36 M3 LTW?
What about the E92 M3GTS and F82 M4GTS ?

...and as far as I know, the E36 LTW did not come with a cage.
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The GTS is available with proper track seats and harness, just not in North America. Blame the US legal system for that... But at least it's possible to retrofit with all OEM parts.
Oh, I know... I'll hold a grudge until the end of time for making me DIY a race seat.

Don't think Euro spec would have worked anyways though. Harness slots too low, probably too tight.

I wonder how McLaren is doing it. Dealer install? User agreements? Whatever the workaround BMW needs to sign on.
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Oh, I know... I'll hold a grudge until the end of time for making me DIY a race seat.

Don't think Euro spec would have worked anyways though. Harness slots too low, probably too tight.

I wonder how McLaren is doing it. Dealer install? User agreements? Whatever the workaround BMW needs to sign on.
The seats just have to be designed with US regulations in mind. That is why we are getting buckets now as an option in the standard G8x.
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The seats just have to be designed with US regulations in mind. That is why we are getting buckets now as an option in the standard G8x.
I'm not sure if that's it. GT cars get the buckets, but not the Clubsport package option here.
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I'm not sure if that's it. GT cars get the buckets, but not the Clubsport package option here.
The Clubsport seats do not meet US regulations. If I remember correctly it has to do with airbag placement.

The math simply didn't make sense for BMW on legalizing the CSL versions. Production was too small to go through crash testing and redesigning certain pieces. Federalization costs well into seven figures so the profitability from selling a few hundred cars doesn't pencil out. They also don't need a halo car to sell every M3/4 they can make.
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The Clubsport seats do not meet US regulations. If I remember correctly it has to do with airbag placement.

The math simply didn't make sense for BMW on legalizing the CSL versions. Production was too small to go through crash testing and redesigning certain pieces. Federalization costs well into seven figures so the profitability from selling a few hundred cars doesn't pencil out. They also don't need a halo car to sell every M3/4 they can make.
Clubsport package on GT cars is cage and harnesses.

As far as I know, seats are the exact same U.S. and Euro. U.S. driver seat even has the sub belt slot.
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Clubsport package on GT cars is cage and harnesses.

As far as I know, seats are the exact same U.S. and Euro. U.S. driver seat even has the sub belt slot.
Sorry I was thinking about previous version CSL/GTS BMW cars, not Porsche GT cars.
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What we do know is this will be pricey! Maybe upwards of USD $130K?

Also, I have a glimmer of hope that it will be in MT. Why? Because BMW understands that this will be an enthusiast car, and nowadays, it is all about the analog aspect. They probably learned from the M3/4 CS with the M2CS. Its all about collectability now. But we shall see...
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The F87 CS was seen in development for several years before it was announced. I can't imagine a G82 CSL would just appear and be available next year. At a minimum it would be post LCI and warrant several years of tuning to warrant the designation.

Unless it's just a bunch of MP parts and an ECU tuned engine. Somehow though I don't think that will be the case for such an important release.
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The F87 CS was seen in development for several years before it was announced. I can't imagine a G82 CSL would just appear and be available next year. At a minimum it would be post LCI and warrant several years of tuning to warrant the designation.

Unless it's just a bunch of MP parts and an ECU tuned engine. Somehow though I don't think that will be the case for such an important release.


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The F87 CS was seen in development for several years before it was announced. I can't imagine a G82 CSL would just appear and be available next year. At a minimum it would be post LCI and warrant several years of tuning to warrant the designation.

Unless it's just a bunch of MP parts and an ECU tuned engine. Somehow though I don't think that will be the case for such an important release.
The F87 CS is a part bin well put together car. From the surface, it may be "several years" between it's first seen or planned and out.

There is a schedule for everything, and the necessary tests are only performed when it's due. The car is out when timing is right, not when it's ready as possibly soonest.

95% or more of the R&D is already done when the base car is done.

The G82 CSL R&D and validation can be done in a few months or even weeks if necessary. The year of 2022 fits as a launch time, given the G8X product pipeline.
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The F87 CS is a part bin well put together car. From the surface, it may be "several years" between it's first seen or planned and out.

There is a schedule for everything, and the necessary tests are only performed when it's due. The car is out when timing is right, not when it's ready as possibly soonest.

95% or more of the R&D is already done when the base car is done.

The G82 CSL R&D and validation can be done in a few months or even weeks if necessary. The year of 2022 fits as a launch time, given the G8X product pipeline.
Seems strange they'd release the CSL the year after main car launch and pre LCI. Nowhere to go from there for the G8x generation and not in keeping with previous special releases. But I don't know M's product launch strategy and stand to be corrected.
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Seems strange they'd release the CSL the year after main car launch and pre LCI. Nowhere to go from there for the G8x generation and not in keeping with previous special releases. But I don't know M's product launch strategy and stand to be corrected.
F82 gts was launched in 2017, in between the F80 LCI and F82 LCI. It incorporates the 3er/M3 LCI features where the major tech update for the platform happens. And will have its exclusive front and rear new stuff. So it's not missing too much from the 4er/M4 LCI

Expect Similar change and timing for the G82 CSL.
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F82 gts was launched in 2017, in between the F80 LCI and F82 LCI. It incorporates the 3er/M3 LCI features where the major tech update for the platform happens. And will have its exclusive front and rear new stuff. So it's not missing too much from the 4er/M4 LCI

Expect Similar change and timing for the G82 CSL.
If this is the case it's not far away and I hope they nail it.
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