[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

  F82 price             G82 price
---------------  =  ----------------
F82 GTS price      G82 CSL price

This would be a major fail on BMW's part IMHO. The GTS was a very decent car for what it was, however it was grossly overpriced.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Any takers on the price?
This is going to go one of two ways;
Parts Bin Special - Throw a bunch of M Performance parts on it and give it a unique set of wheels
Holistic approach - Where you have a true next level performance machine that works in unison with all of the new parts.

The parts bin would be what they did with the bizarre M2 Special Content Package (unused "Futura" parts) or the M4 Heritage Edition. If that were the case, the price would less than the sum of their parts individually.
If this was a more traditional approach, then hell, this car could be in the $125k to $150k price.

Historically, CSL/GTS have never been "parts bin" cars, each having gone though significant development with many unique parts originally released on these cars. Parts introduced on the CSL/GTS usually eventually trickle down to other lesser models.

[Scorp!on]

will there only be a CSL like the GTS or will they make a CS Model as well?
If so...6MT *godplease* ?

[Bumpinjeep]

Is it too much to ask BMW for a RWD 6Speed manual car with over 500 horsepower and less than $100K?!? Because this could be it.
I wonder if Mercedes is doing a Black Series C63S?

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This would be a major fail on BMW's part IMHO. The GTS was a very decent car for what it was, however it was grossly overpriced.

Agree. Still, I don't see them reacting to that with a lower relative MSRP, necessarily. I suspect they'll just continue to let that be hashed out in the marketplace with discounts from MSRP on a transaction by transaction basis once hype-driven FOMO sales at full price taper off.

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Is it too much to ask BMW for a RWD 6Speed manual car with over 500 horsepower and less than $100K?!? Because this could be it.
I wonder if Mercedes is doing a Black Series C63S?

The W205 C63 ends production very soon if it hasn't already. And it has no MT option. And the Black Series, if it existed, wouldn't be under $100K. The W206 C63 is rumored to be an I4, but even if it gets an I6 (it absolutely won't get a V8 - 100% no), the same shortcomings I just mentioned apply. And a Black Series model would be about five years away.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

This would be a major fail on BMW's part IMHO. The GTS was a very decent car for what it was, however it was grossly overpriced.

I can't disagree more. Car and Driver recently tested a 992 Carrera 4 at 130k as tested price.

To get a M4 GTS for the same price does not seem 'grossly overpriced' in the least.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by Scorp!on

will there only be a CSL like the GTS or will they make a CS Model as well?
If so...6MT *godplease* ?

You can bet there will be a CS version as well, but it will have 530hp, so no 6MT for it

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Is it too much to ask BMW for a RWD 6Speed manual car with over 500 horsepower and less than $100K?!? Because this could be it.
I wonder if Mercedes is doing a Black Series C63S?

I would rather keep the HP = 6MT Base, but lose 200lbs.

That would be an amazing machine.

[nick3753]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

From the Future BMW model information thread:

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• M4 CSL is possible with SOP 07/22 and a very short production run.

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Cool. Perhaps by then we will have some driving reviews of the non CSL version

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I can't disagree more. Car and Driver recently tested a 992 Carrera 4 at 130k as tested price.

To get a M4 GTS for the same price does not seem 'grossly overpriced' in the least.

A 2022 M4CSL at 130k would indeed be decently priced. However, you're not comparing apples-to-apples. When the F82 GTS was launched in 2015, it had an MSRP of 135k, higher than the 911 GT3 of the era at 132k. It was overpriced then and the market spoke.

Based on mkoesel 's equation, the G82 CSL would have an MSRP of ~151k USD, and that does seem grossly overpriced to me.

• $71,800 2021 base M4 MSRP / $64,200 2015 base M4 MSRP x $135,195 F82 M4GTS MSRP = $151,200

We can only hope BMW does not make the same mistake.

[e46e92love]

Just a differing view: buy a high mileage e92 and deck it out and even with insane engine work, suspension and 1,000 other mods you will have a car that runs the ring as fast, for a lot less, and still be an amazing ///M car.....

Probably could say the same for an f80 but e92 will be cheaper. Either option leaves you with a more unique car, and for a-lot less money....

Shit, I'm starting to sound like a practical 42 year old buzz kill........

Cheers,
e46e92

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

It COULD be a 6MT RWD version......that would keep the starting weight low.

Very doubting that, but it would be awesome

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

A 2022 M4CSL at 130k would indeed be decently priced. However, you're not comparing apples-to-apples. When the F82 GTS was launched in 2015, it had an MSRP of 135k, higher than the 911 GT3 of the era at 132k. It was overpriced then and the market spoke.

Based on mkoesel 's equation, the G82 CSL would have an MSRP of ~151k USD, and that does seem grossly overpriced to me.

• $71,800 2021 base M4 MSRP / $64,200 2015 base M4 MSRP x $135,195 F82 M4GTS MSRP = $151,200

We can only hope BMW does not make the same mistake.

I expect it to be 150k, after all, the 992 GT3 will be over that amount with a 'base price' that no one has even been able to buy one at.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I expect it to be 150k, after all, the 992 GT3 will be over that amount with a 'base price' that no one has even been able to buy one at.

I would never consider an M4 at 150k+ USD

[Jimjamz]

Originally Posted by frankiebones

The SMG transmission was 105.5 pounds. The E46 6MT tranmission was 101.4 pounds, a marginal difference of 4.1 pounds.

That is NOT the case anymore as the 8AT is substantially heavier than the 6MT (not sure we have confirmation on actual weights yet, someone more knowledgeable than me may chime in).

Also, the AWD system is substantially heavier than the RWD system. Since it's safe to say the CSL will be focused on weight, it will likely be RWD. Since the RWD ONLY comes in 6MT I am making an inference in saying it "COULD" be a RWD 6MT.

EDIT: RWD is also 8AT, I forgot non-6MT drivers exist lol.

Wouldn't the CSL have to be faster? Going to manual will eat away at much of the weight saving benefits in the speed department. Or perhaps like the F87 CS they offer both transmissions? Seems unlikely though given the cost of packaging up a rare car like this.

[solstice]

My guess, it will be very, very fast and cost accordingly. On another planet fast vs the GTS.

[IB M]

It has to be pretty or else no

[swagon]

https://g20.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1751470

Lemetier said this is coming in 2022 as well...

Also weren't there rumours CSL would be performance hybrids?

[FormulaMMM]

Hugely interested to see what they cook up here.

Seems a great opportunity to be a positive turning point for M in a few ways.

This one should opt out of horsepower/lap times as primary focus.

It will be stupid fast, but doubt the G8X platform will allow for it to compete on tenths with C8 Z06 and some others in that upcoming class.

Doesn’t need to. Could counter lap times with engagement factor, M driving dynamics. They just pulled it off with the M2 CS.

M seats and interiors are leaping forward, they should deliver the CSL equipped like the 620R, with a harness bar, uprated track seats, and harnesses (see them at U.S. dealers like below).

Equip with proper track tires (not grandma’s Cup 2), camber and height adjustability, buttons not dials for dampers (dials proven beyond U.S. customers), racing spec brakes, make it durable enough for true track use WITHOUT ANY modification. Let the real Motorsport department do the validation testing on more tracks than the Nordschleife.

If they can optimize for strong pace in both rwd and awd modes (where rwd isn’t just drift mode), with 10 stage traction in both settings, that would be incredible and a competitive advantage. Probably wishful thinking, but to be able to switch the settings according to track, mood, etc. would be like have a 2 in 1 track car.

These sorts of experiential things would create the 6-figure value imo. (Maybe they can also do a little something with the front end for aero purposes – sorry, had to.)

[kyleb350]

BMW would surprise me if they put weight at the top of the priority list and kept it RWD. I'm guessing they just take the rear seats out of the AWD version, put a unique hood on, and slap a wing on the back.

[solstice]

Maybe they will start with the M4 GT3 and make it street legal instead of starting with the M4 Competition and making it a track car.



Unlikely, but at least they could choose to make it look like it

[m630]

Id bet they use the red GT3 grilles as the wow factor, but remember, they look better than the stock version because they are more proportional, and i dont think the csl will be considerably wider than the G82 to make much difference.

I hope eveeyone is wrong and its not an m4/3 variant. No one bmw, no one is buy any M4/3 variant in the 150K+ range, just too much competition and bmw does not command that premuim, m8 case in point.