[BMWM5NYC]

Originally Posted by supershaft

It sounds like you want it because it's "new" not because it's better because let's face it, it's not better

That is EXACTLY why this car will sell. Because it is the "New" BMW.

The front of that car is HIDEOUS. But it has "the Badge" and it is "the NEW thing" so people will buy it.

[jkap27]

Originally Posted by rmedeir1

So I am still out to lunch on this car. I am over the front grill thing. After yesterday it does look much better than the artist renderings. The side view of the car on the M4 looks fantastic to me. The rear is is not better than my F82 but appealing to me only because its different. The performance of the new G series, however, doesnt wow me over my F82 especially knowing after 1st/2nd year I take almost a 20% hit in depreciation off of a car that will be upgraded close to $100K. So I feel like this may be the same situation I was in with my e46 M3 where I did not see a need to go replace it with the e92 because of very limited design improvements (actually thought e46 looked better), better road feeling with e46, and slightly modest performance improvement.

I'm with you on the side view vs rear view for the m4. I've only been looking at the m3 and I think the rear on the g80 is a significant improvement over that boxier looking f80 rear in my persomal opinion but the f82 rear profile was real nice. Front fascia looks a lot better with the carbon pack in my opinion because it gives that intake under the grilles a more curved look like it recedes into the car a little bit which helps when viewing from that front 3/4 angle

Im confused at the performance complaints though...3.8 second 0-60 (keeping in mind bmw underrates their 0-60 a bit) is getting pretty close to the limit of what you can achieve with a front engine rwd setup as far as an initial launch goes...thats getting awfully close to the point where any horsepower gains are offset by traction loss The g80 is most likely going to considerably outperform the f80 at speeds of 50+ with the improved power to weight ratio (people are using the wrong weights and comparing an unrealistically light f80 weight to a heavily equipped g80 to come up with this inaccurate 400+ pound weight difference) . Acceleration figures don't stop mattering at 60 miles per hour lol and if people are looking exclusively to dust people on the drag strip then why are they looking at an m3 anyway

[P1]

Do they shove all YouTubers in a room and give them 30 minutes to ramble?

[uhn2000]

///M3 Sedan looks awesome..

[M3nford]

Originally Posted by supershaft

It sounds like you want it because it's "new" not because it's better because let's face it, it's not better

Yep, you'd be surprised how many BMW each gen buyers are buying, I'm sorry, leasing, because it's new and shiny.
It's almost like it doesn't matter if the product is good or not, people will gobble it up.
Of course, backers will say all of them are buying because they "grew into it" or it's because it's an "upgrade".

New is not always better, unfortunately.

[rmedeir1]

Originally Posted by jkap27

I'm with you on the side view vs rear view for the m4. I've only been looking at the m3 and I think the rear on the g80 is a significant improvement over that boxier looking f80 rear in my persomal opinion but the f82 rear profile was real nice. Front fascia looks a lot better with the carbon pack in my opinion because it gives that intake under the grilles a more curved look like it recedes into the car a little bit which helps when viewing from that front 3/4 angle

Im confused at the performance complaints though...3.8 second 0-60 (keeping in mind bmw underrates their 0-60 a bit) is getting pretty close to the limit of what you can achieve with a front engine rwd setup as far as an initial launch goes...thats getting awfully close to the point where any horsepower gains are offset by traction loss The g80 is most likely going to considerably outperform the f80 at speeds of 50+ with the improved power to weight ratio (people are using the wrong weights and comparing an unrealistically light f80 weight to a heavily equipped g80 to come up with this inaccurate 400+ pound weight difference) . Acceleration figures don't stop mattering at 60 miles per hour lol and if people are looking exclusively to dust people on the drag strip then why are they looking at an m3 anyway

Your point is exactly what I meant with front engine RWD performance...its pretty much tapped for this style of vehicle and therefore happy to keep the F82 and not buy the new G series knowing the huge depreciation. however, I may change my mind on the AWD version when that comes out.

I am curious , though, to see if the G will have slightly better or similar off the line grip characteristics as the F82!

[The Choosey begger]

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by CachacoF80

Naturally the F80 is showing it's age. But paying 80k - 90k for a well specced car and "getting used to it" don't go together in my opinion.

It looks pretty good if

✅ It's an M3
✅ You only approach from directly behind it
✅ It's low light
✅ The color isn't heinous
✅ As you get near, you spin and approach the drivers door facing backwards
✅ The interior isn't in the 4 year old colors

Then it's not too bad.

Course you'd have to tell your neighbors it's your brother's and he's stuck in Canada so you're just watching it for him.

[BMmikeyyyy]

When will it come to the US Dealers?

[Yvette]

it seems April 1st today.

[Avaley]

[seis-speed]

Originally Posted by pbar

Still waiting for a video from somebody I trust (Chris Harris or similar) driving this thing 'for real' on a track with the auto transmission.

He seems to not like the car.

https://twitter.com/harrismonkey/sta...068567552?s=20

[TEGRITY]

don't know if its just me.. it feels like BMW themselves have reached out popular car reviewers to get people to look at other aspects beyond the grill.
there is just a common theme and stress from these reviewers around how the car looks great in person.

[JayFar]

Love it.

[am3r1ka]

Originally Posted by pbar

Still waiting for a video from somebody I trust (Chris Harris or similar) driving this thing 'for real' on a track with the auto transmission.

Same. Hope Jason Camisa gets his hands on one.

[GrussGott]

Originally Posted by PKthePM

don't know if its just me.. it feels like BMW themselves have reached out popular car reviewers to get people to look at other aspects beyond the grill.
there is just a common theme and stress from these reviewers around how the car looks great in person.

Oh yeah, there's clearly been coordinated messaging if not implicit threats / rewards on reviews.

Never has marketing worked so hard to convince so few.

[Killakhan340i]

Friend of mine did this. Definitely looks better.

[cfm56d7b]

Now that the new M3 and M4 are here, I have to admit that M3 looks better, irrespective of having 2 extra doors.

[AlejoEvo]

Originally Posted by morganthompson

Are those floating calipers in the rear? With 6-pot Carbon Ceramic in the front?

Yes. They change the rear caliper sue to the automatic brake.

[bmrm396]

Pretty sure there's a reason Chris Harris got himself a new M2Comp not long ago ... can't wait to hear his review, I'm sure it'll be underwhelming

[xlover]

Originally Posted by 2kaccordocoupe

Depends when the press cars go out. Bmw will probably also embargo them to not share reviews until a pre determined date.

Or they may do one big event

[Mdoa]

So far all the reviews I see on YouTube are trying to defense BMW's front grill design. .....