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      08-01-2019, 12:32 PM   #1
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Now that we know BMW is offering a manual, letís get excited and discuss the G80 with the vigor it Ďnowí deserves.

The F80 was a lot of fun in 6MT, such a different experience than the DCT. Based off of that, if the G80 uses the same box, I am guessing it will feel largely the same....


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Will we have rev-matching?
What modes will have it?
Will we get a switch to turn it off?
Can pedal placement be improved for heel/toe?
Anyone think an AWD/6MT will be available?

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I don't mind the rev matching, modes, etc. I use them on the F8X and I'm sure I will should I opt for a G8X. I think I'm more concerned with the possibility of the MT being offered with significantly less power than the other variant(s).
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I don't mind the rev matching, modes, etc. I use them on the F8X and I'm sure I will should I opt for a G8X. I think I'm more concerned with the possibility of the MT being offered with significantly less power than the other variant(s).
I don't think it will be significantly less power. The original propositions seemed to indicate it would just be 31hp which is less than 10%. Who knows if the difference would even be noticeable with how BMW rates their engine power.

I think rev-matching should be an option that can be defeated in a custom mode.
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I don't think it will be significantly less power. The original propositions seemed to indicate it would just be 31hp which is less than 10%. Who knows if the difference would even be noticeable with how BMW rates their engine power.

I think rev-matching should be an option that can be defeated in a custom mode.
I totally agree. A manual transmission that rev matches is a semi-manual transmission.
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As long as it has three pedals it’s all good. I often switch between cars with manuals that has all the latest tech ( hill hold, rev. match up and down etc. ) and cars with no tech. ( including no ABS ). The tech. really makes very little difference once you learnt how to use it and not have it compared to the difference of having a third pedal and not having a third pedal. Minor pros and cons with tech. But that third pedal make all the difference in the world to the driving experience.
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I'm hoping for..
- Can turn off rev matching easily / quickly
- M5 type AWD that can be switched to RWD
- pure model has less aggressive styling
- space grey (a girl can dream)
- filthy deep straight six roar (ok now I'm really dreaming)

I don't care if it has less power than the other versions. They're already powerful enough.

Enough of the "iPhone marketing" with these cars. "But now it has 5% more power and special black/chrome something, so the previous one you have is junk".
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I wish for NO rev matching : because it takes all the fun and engagement out of driving.

AWD 6MT most likely will not happen in mine opinion.
But couldn't complain for folks that are in colder climates.

Pedal placement is easy fix for me
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I am not worried about the power, tune it to match the AWD version or stage one it and we are good to go. This most likely be the last 3 pedal M3/4, and after G80 I will jump on the 718 or 911 band wagon.
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i'm a die hard 6MT RWD guy but i wouldn't necessarily be opposed to having awd as an option. i'd probably rarely use it but it would be fun in the winter for sure.

agree rev matching should be disable-able in all modes if possible.

i'm not at all concerned with lower power vs other modes, particularly if the G80 has more power than the current F80 ZCP. this platform already has more power than you can typically use day to day and there is such a thing as too much power--if you can't put that power down it's wasted and that's frustrating. the most fun cars to drive are the ones where you can access 100% of their performance (approach the limit) often. not the ones where power overwhelms traction or vice-versa.
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After getting used to it I actually really like the rev-match feature and think it can actually add a bit of fun to street driving. That said I do not know why it can't just be a separate button that you turn on and off at will. When it is useful to you turn it on, when it is not turn it off.
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I am ok with Rev Matching as long as it can be disabled in Sport+. The later models (F80 before it went out of production and F82s made in recent months) have Rev Matching in all 3 throttle maps.

I had 50k miles on my 16 F80 when I jumped into an M3 CS. The Rev Matching was VERY inconsistent the entire time, would work for a day and then not work for a week...it was insane.
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This whole thread is a dream come true and super exciting.
Will have to get one as the last MT M3.
So glad all of the tesla lickers were wrong and MT M3 will exist.
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After getting used to it I actually really like the rev-match feature and think it can actually add a bit of fun to street driving. That said I do not know why it can't just be a separate button that you turn on and off at will. When it is useful to you turn it on, when it is not turn it off.
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After getting used to it I actually really like the rev-match feature and think it can actually add a bit of fun to street driving. That said I do not know why it can't just be a separate button that you turn on and off at will. When it is useful to you turn it on, when it is not turn it off.
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I am ok with Rev Matching as long as it can be disabled in Sport+. The later models (F80 before it went out of production and F82s made in recent months) have Rev Matching in all 3 throttle maps.

I had 50k miles on my 16 F80 when I jumped into an M3 CS. The Rev Matching was VERY inconsistent the entire time, would work for a day and then not work for a week...it was insane.
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After getting used to it I actually really like the rev-match feature and think it can actually add a bit of fun to street driving. That said I do not know why it can't just be a separate button that you turn on and off at will. When it is useful to you turn it on, when it is not turn it off.
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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
I suspect many mix rev match and throttle blip. As you say everyone who ever driven a manual quickly learn to rev. match. My 75 year old mum, still zip around town in her manual no rev. match car and shifts smoothly up and down as the rest of 80% or so of European car drivers without thinking.

What I think some enthusiasts here is talking about is not rev. matching but tracking your MT car where you balance the car on the edge of grip into corners and can’t afford upsetting the rear with engine braking or be clutched out for any extended time and mitigate it with heel toe action and throttle blip. This is trickier to master every time.

The auto rev. match help you with both scenarios. Is it necessary? Nope but it is nice to have the option, I’m sure even my mom would appreciate if we get it in her next car
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I suspect many mix rev match and throttle blip. As you say everyone who ever driven a manual quickly learn to rev. match. My 75 year old mum, still zip around town in her manual no rev. match car and shifts smoothly up and down as the rest of 80% or so of European car drivers without thinking.

What I think some enthusiasts here is talking about is not rev. matching but tracking your MT car where you balance the car on the edge of grip into corners and canít afford upsetting the rear with engine braking or be clutched out for any extended time and mitigate it with heel toe action and throttle blip. This is trickier to master every time.

The auto rev. match help you with both scenarios. Is it necessary? Nope but it is nice to have the option, Iím sure even my mom would appreciate if we get it in her next car

Not sure if I follow the distinction you are drawing between blipping the throttle and rev-matching. Any blip in the throttle is to match the engine rev to the wheel rev before the clutch is re-engaged regardless of where it is performed (e.g. in a straight line or around a corner), and as such, the former is just a way to achieve the latter. Is there any other kind of rev-matching?

On a separate topic, I typically downshift in the braking zone before the turn-in, so I will rarely be caught in between gears through a corner to worry about rev-matching.

I do agree though that the auto rev-match feature can be beneficial in certain conditions. As long as it can be turned off independent of the drive mode (i.e. don't force me to be in Sport+ to turn it off), I don't mind it.
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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
Ultimately the "heal/toe" technique is a racing technique that is required and regularly used on the race track (I race a Spec E46 so I am familiar). That said it is not really necessary or required in 95% of street driving.

For me personally, with my size 13 feet, the only time I feel totally comfortable heal/toeing is under threshold or at least hard braking (I lift my heal rather than roll my foot), and it usually requires the use of driving shoes. I guess one could argue that is a technique issue, but once again I do not see the need to pretend I am a race car driver on the street.

For me being able to still have the control of the clutch and ability to select the gears myself is all the satisfaction I need and hearing the car perfectly rev match for me is actually satisfying. Yes there are rare occurrences on the street where I want to do it myself and on the track I would like to have that option in a mode other than sport plus, but I think it is a great feature that should continue but should have an on and off option no matter the mode.
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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
Ultimately the "heal/toe" technique is a racing technique that is required and regularly used on the race track (I race a Spec E46 so I am familiar). That said it is not really necessary or required in 95% of street driving.

For me personally, with my size 13 feet, the only time I feel totally comfortable heal/toeing is under threshold or at least hard braking (I lift my heal rather than roll my foot), and it usually requires the use of driving shoes. I guess one could argue that is a technique issue, but once again I do not see the need to pretend I am a race car driver on the street.

For me being able to still have the control of the clutch and ability to select the gears myself is all the satisfaction I need and hearing the car perfectly rev match for me is actually satisfying. Yes there are rare occurrences on the street where I want to do it myself and on the track I would like to have that option in a mode other than sport plus, but I think it is a great feature that should continue but should have an on and off option no matter the mode.
I use heal/toe mainly in higher revs on track for example. On the street you let the rev go down and you don't drop the clutch.
Some people call it blip because besides heal/toe downshifting you can blip the throttle when down shift without touching the brake or up shift to rev match.
I guess it's nice to have the option for most people but like to have it to be turned off.
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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
I suspect many mix rev match and throttle blip. As you say everyone who ever driven a manual quickly learn to rev. match. My 75 year old mum, still zip around town in her manual no rev. match car and shifts smoothly up and down as the rest of 80% or so of European car drivers without thinking.

What I think some enthusiasts here is talking about is not rev. matching but tracking your MT car where you balance the car on the edge of grip into corners and can't afford upsetting the rear with engine braking or be clutched out for any extended time and mitigate it with heel toe action and throttle blip. This is trickier to master every time.

The auto rev. match help you with both scenarios. Is it necessary? Nope but it is nice to have the option, I'm sure even my mom would appreciate if we get it in her next car
I agree with some statement but, you never want to shift mid corner.
That can hurt you on the track, specially if you drop the clutch to fast
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I agree with some statement but, you never want to shift mid corner.
That can hurt you on the track, specially if you drop the clutch to fast
I personally wouldn't mind rev match if I were to track the car stock.

Brakes are so shit on E92 you sometimes miss downshift timing into a corner.

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If i may ask: Knowing to rev-match what's the point to have one?
It's a habit where you don't even think, you just do it. It's programmed in your subconscious mind. Which means you are doing it without knowing it!
I think in city driving stop/go slowing for turns, etc... it is a pretty good feature, also having my wife or a valet drive the car it is easier to drive. In fact, the new 6MTís are so easy to drive with this feature that many who donít get the 6MT are making a mistake, IMO.

On a spirited drive though, I never have it on, no matter what car I am driving, the rev-math down to 2nd or 3rd is one of my favorite aspects of driving, so an option to have it for people who need a simpler easier manual is good, but it has to turn off in some way.

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