[jmg]

Originally Posted by chris719

It is not an issue of Montana law, it's with your actual home state. It's also an issue with your insurance company. It is absolutely cheating. CHP has a website to turn people in, and other states in the Northeast are also very aggressive. There are lots of threads on this all over the internet and have been for years. If you attempt this in 2020 and daily drive the car you are asking for trouble. Maybe you will get away with it, but people with several exotic cars have had their homes raided in Georgia.

I have no idea why you think your home state is fine with you not paying sales tax on a new car purchase (if it has such a tax). If you live in Montana or actually operate out of Montana, so be it, but that is not what this scam is about. In most states, if you garage it in the state and drive it in the state, you will owe sales and/or use tax.

I wasn't fully aware of the crackdown. I guess it is illegal, and in that case you are right. If you have to lie to your insurance co about where the car is etc then that is a problem. I assumed people were using loopholes to get around insurance problems like storing their exotics in Montana for a certain amount of time out of the year etc. I do feel, however, that it is the taxpayer's responsibility to utilize every tax advantage strategy they can. It's not that I don't believe in paying taxes, I do and I pay a lot, but if I didn't take advantage of every tax incentives out there, then not only would I be paying much more, but I wouldn't be fulfilling the role of those tax incentives: stimulate a sector of the economy through targeted incentives. It's not JUST to save people money, it's to encourage a wanted behavior. Want to sell more trucks? Give a tax write off for trucks. Want to encourage charitable contributions? Write off. I don't think wanting to pay less taxes is morally bankrupt so long as you are being honest and within the boundaries of the law.

[chris719]

Originally Posted by jmg

I wasn't fully aware of the crackdown. I guess it is illegal, and in that case you are right. If you have to lie to your insurance co about where the car is etc then that is a problem. I assumed people were using loopholes to get around insurance problems like storing their exotics in Montana for a certain amount of time out of the year etc. I do feel, however, that it is the taxpayer's responsibility to utilize every tax advantage strategy they can. It's not that I don't believe in paying taxes, I do and I pay a lot, but if I didn't take advantage of every tax incentives out there, then not only would I be paying much more, but I wouldn't be fulfilling the role of those tax incentives: stimulate a sector of the economy through targeted incentives. It's not JUST to save people money, it's to encourage a wanted behavior. Want to sell more trucks? Give a tax write off for trucks. Want to encourage charitable contributions? Write off. I don't think wanting to pay less taxes is morally bankrupt so long as you are being honest and within the boundaries of the law.

Yeah, I'm not complaining about legal avenues. This is technically illegal in most states.

[supra93]

[supra93]

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by supra93

Ahhh the Alpine! The forbidden fruit!

[chris@bafmotorsport]

nice

[supra93]

[RMachuca3d]

I'm shocked that the ct4v did a faster laptime than the 2.0 supra. smh.

[jmack]

Originally Posted by RMachuca3d

I'm shocked that the ct4v did a faster laptime than the 2.0 supra. smh.

The Alpha platform is no joke.

[supra93]

[supra93]

[Reggie_2005]

So hypothetically, if BMW released a coupe version of the Z4, would everybody just buy that instead of the Supra?

I would. i understand there's stil toyota designed performance and such, but man...i'd rather just go with the guys who developed the engine.

also, just a quick point of order: if you're gonna play games with taxes, go right ahead. but i just hope you don't show any double standards and whine about american companies firing americans and shipping jobs overseas. because they also do it to....dodge taxes, amongst other things.

so again, if you call that capitalism, it's all good. just make sure if if you lose your job due to outsourcing, you keep that same energy. cause capitalism.

[evil-G-nius]

IMO they still have released a Supra...its just a Z4 dressed for casual Friday. LoL
I think design wise, the car falls flat. The concept looked fairly similar but way more aggressive and IDK why Toyota decided THIS was the car they were going to do a joint venture for. Its like if BMW decided to collab with Honda for the next M3/M4. Just doesn't make any damn sense. I just don't like it...but to each his own

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by evil-G-nius

IMO they still have released a Supra...its just a Z4 dressed for casual Friday. LoL
I think design wise, the car falls flat. The concept looked fairly similar but way more aggressive and IDK why Toyota decided THIS was the car they were going to do a joint venture for. Its like if BMW decided to collab with Honda for the next M3/M4. Just doesn't make any damn sense. I just don't like it...but to each his own

The Car Sucks

[supra93]

I think Toyota could have avoided a lot of the controversy and backlash of they had just called this thing a 2000GT.

[evil-G-nius]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

The Car Sucks

Originally Posted by supra93

I think Toyota could have avoided a lot of the controversy and backlash of they had just called this thing a 2000GT.

Agreed 100% to the first & partially agree with the 2nd. You would still have caught flack for ruining an iconic car. However since the 2000GT is so far removed from most people's minds I think you could get away with it more successfully than the Supra name plate

[supra93]

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by evil-G-nius

Agreed 100% to the first & partially agree with the 2nd. You would still have caught flack for ruining an iconic car. However since the 2000GT is so far removed from most people's minds I think you could get away with it more successfully than the Supra name plate

Personally I don't even feel the Supra name is iconic and worthy of some sort of protection! I think it's because I'm old enough to remember cars with a Supra name weren't anything special for most of the namesake's existence. It's probably just the younger guys that grew up idolizing F&F and seeing the nameplate associated with great performance.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Personally I don't even feel the Supra name is iconic and worthy of some sort of protection! I think it's because I'm old enough to remember cars with a Supra name weren't anything special for most of the namesake's existence. It's probably just the younger guys that grew up idolizing F&F and seeing the nameplate associated with great performance.

Not every year was Iconic. Unless you live under a rock, the 93-97 Supra turbo was. There are still used ones going for more than a new M 3/4. I get it, not everyone will like them but It was a bad ass car!! That motor is a beast! I personally love the sound of them. All along when I heard it was going to be re-released, I assumed it would have hit the market like the GTR did. Unfortunately we got a BRZ/Z4 bastard child. I probably pumped it up in my head to much. I just feel like the new one is just so BLAH. I was ready to sell My GTR but that never even crossed my mind when that abortion came out

[evil-G-nius]

Originally Posted by Dog Face Pony Soldier

Personally I don't even feel the Supra name is iconic and worthy of some sort of protection! I think it's because I'm old enough to remember cars with a Supra name weren't anything special for most of the namesake's existence. It's probably just the younger guys that grew up idolizing F&F and seeing the nameplate associated with great performance.

Trust me I am old enough. But every car company had their dark days but it doesn't mean the Supra is not an iconic name. Thats like saying the Mustang isn't an icon because of the Mustang II. LoL

Originally Posted by SickGTR

Not every year was Iconic. Unless you live under a rock, the 93-97 Supra turbo was. There are still used ones going for more than a new M 3/4. I get it, not everyone will like them but It was a bad ass car!! That motor is a beast! I personally love the sound of them. All along when I heard it was going to be re-released, I assumed it would have hit the market like the GTR did. Unfortunately we got a BRZ/Z4 bastard child. I probably pumped it up in my head to much. I just feel like the new one is just so BLAH. I was ready to sell My GTR but that never even crossed my mind when that abortion came out

This ^^^

[heavyD^2]

The problem with the Supra is that when it was for sale it wasn't iconic. In fact nobody even cared about it. Toyota couldn't sell them. It had a small following but never became notable until the first F&F movie so the reality is that it's iconic as a used tuner car mostly for its engine. The reality is that even if Toyota made the latest Supra, fans of the MK4 would not look on it kindly as it wouldn't have a 2JZ-GTE engine in it as that's what made that car special as the rest of the car was big, heavy, and somewhat homely compared to cars of that day such as the FD RX-7, 300ZXTT, 3000GT.

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Originally Posted by heavyD^2

The problem with the Supra is that when it was for sale it wasn't iconic. In fact nobody even cared about it. Toyota couldn't sell them. It had a small following but never became notable until the first F&F movie so the reality is that it's iconic as a used tuner car mostly for its engine. The reality is that even if Toyota made the latest Supra, fans of the MK4 would not look on it kindly as it wouldn't have a 2JZ-GTE engine in it as that's what made that car special as the rest of the car was big, heavy, and somewhat homely compared to cars of that day such as the FD RX-7, 300ZXTT, 3000GT.

I also share this memory. That's why it seems completely backwards thinking that somehow the great Supra nameplate was soiled by BMW engineering.