02-07-2019, 11:20 AM | #221 | |
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I really think after 400hp and 400 torque street use daily drive is excess. I enjoyed my MK7 gti. It never felt under powered. As long as the new M3 feels amazing to drive and looks good I'm okay with the HP and Torque numbers |
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02-07-2019, 06:44 PM | #222 |
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So the M4 will come later/after the M3 for this cycle and be offered the same way as well? Or will it be different since the M4 is considered a 2-door sports car-ish-type vehicle?
No 6-speed manual + Comp? Only the neutered hp version for the manual M4 as well? |
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02-07-2019, 09:19 PM | #223 | |
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Current S55 produces 406 lbft of torque is more than enough for a car that weights ~1400kg. What we need is less weight and lower CoG, not more power and higher torque that runs out nearing 7000 rpm. I have no complaints to be honest as long as the base model weighs 50-80kg less than base F82 M4.
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02-12-2019, 10:57 PM | #224 |
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I think we should be encouraged by the pricing on the M3 if we think similar ratios will hold as the x3 lineup.
the 2020 x3m starts at ~69k vs ~54k for the 2019 x3 M40i. the M40i is Missing the new 382hp b58 as well as the x3m comes with better standard content (looks like most of the premium package is standard) The m340 is going to start at ~56k so we could be looking at ~72k M3 xdrive, ~79k for a comp version. I suppose the wild card is the pure version... will it cost the same or less than the base car... |
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02-12-2019, 11:05 PM | #225 | |
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One thing to point out, its technically the same price as the F80, but for $70k on the f80 you got dct, m-sport seats and a carbon strut brace. On the X3 M thread, it says, m-sport seats are only standard on the competition, the strut brace is an option. I guess this is how BMW will be passing a price increase on. I wonder if the base M3 will have a carbon roof ? Last edited by hans007; 02-13-2019 at 12:42 AM.. |
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02-12-2019, 11:38 PM | #226 |
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F80 M3 had CF roof as standard, NC option on moonroof. One piece CF strut bar is also standard on M3, unlike it's optional in X3M and partial CF construction. Aluminum front fenders and hood also further reduced weight. We hope G80/G82 can continue with lightweight components construction trend!
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02-14-2019, 09:50 AM | #228 |
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I would absolutely hate manual seats...memory seats are critical when driving manual. Every time you get your car detailed you have to re-position your seats and it is virtually impossible to replicate the same settings you have grown accustomed to.
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02-20-2019, 06:24 AM | #232 |
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Of course they can make the 6MT reliable for the Base or even the Competition model...the F10 M5, F12 M6 all had the 6MT option. Nobody running tunes on S55 ever reported busted 6MT which shows the gearbox can take the torque.
Imagine the 6MT version close to 100Kg lighter with less drivetrain drag...it will kill the X Drive version in ultimate performance. This means they will push people to go back to 6MT for higher performance and they don't want that. That is the main reason they reduced engine power on the Pure version. |
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02-20-2019, 12:19 PM | #234 | |
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And as a previous poster alluded to, without parastic losses of AWD drivetrain and 8AT, it could be more of a wash even Pure coming out ahead... |
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02-20-2019, 02:16 PM | #235 | |
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Edit: After re-reading my comment I realize I was comparing the wrong HP figures. The Pure is listed as 444 vs base at 473 (equal to X3M base) which makes Karmic Man's comment about reduced power to not out perform the heavier version make more sense, my bad! Last edited by Pic18; 02-21-2019 at 08:38 AM.. Reason: mistake |
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02-20-2019, 03:53 PM | #236 | |
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I mean if you are willing to pay over 80.000 euro for a car why then not spend the extra money for a factory (and thus warranty) tuned version that comes with xdrive, and 8 speed auto box. Imho it will certainly be worth the extra money. Sure if you are not planning to use it as a daily driver or are not always stuck in traffic then go for the base or pure model with RWD and manual transmission. |
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Come on if same power the xDrive version with paddles will be the higher performer for 98% of drivers. Maybe not as fun or challenging but it will be faster around a track and 1/4 mile as well.
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02-21-2019, 08:37 AM | #238 | |
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That said I slightly disagree in that just because I maybe able to afford $70,000 US, doesn't necessarily mean I can afford $80,000 US so from that perspective I will likely go with the pure whether or not I will use it as a daily driver. |
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02-21-2019, 04:10 PM | #239 | |
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It's just too bad the power gap between Pure and Competition is so large (~60hp). As an aside, I wonder if the detuned engine (assuming they don't make it any structurally weaker) will be much more reliable. Not that BMW engines commonly break anyways (usually water pumps, turbos, rubber/plastic, etc.) |
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02-21-2019, 04:57 PM | #240 | |
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It's either a durability/compatibility issue, a cost issue, or they are trying to limit 6mt's to prepare us for a complete phase out next generation.
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Carbon buckets will come via IND. I am getting a fully loaded Competion. I hope that someone will come out with a tuning pack and Ohlins get something to work w the electronic dampers.
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02-26-2019, 09:12 AM | #242 | |
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More gears don’t necessarily benefit at tracks as you are better off carrying speed into corners with minimum gear changes. Same reason why tracked 911s are seldom AWD.
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