[Transfer]

Is it just me or is the M4 fender gap kind of terrible for an M car? M3 is at least better and more what I would expect from factory but the M4... yeesh.

I've never lowered a car before but probably would if I end up with M4. Any ideas what the most cost effective and no-change-to-comfort options will be? Plain old lowering springs? MP or KW HAS? Very unlikely I would be doing an install myself so that factors in.

[SickGTR]

It Looks like ASS from the factory. Your driving a Jeep until you lower it. Can't believe it comes this way. GRRRRR

[TrentMeister]

Yeah by my hand it's a full 4 finger gap. It's truly ridiculous. Springs and spacers are 100% mando

[M3AWD]

I'll probably have the aftermarket lowering kit in my garage before I can delivery of my G80. Best mod ever is springs+spacers

[RugbyBro]

Wait... y'all don't like the OE factory lift kit?

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

Wait... y'all don't like the OE factory lift kit?

"Factory lift with performance wheel tuck"

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by LBbluem2

"Factory lift with performance wheel tuck"

Yeah idk why BMW loves their massive gaps - one of the first things I did on F8X was MPHAS. Once KW releases their HAS kit for G8X it's likely BMW will rebrand it with OE specific spring rates and release a G8X specific MPHAS for guys who want to maintain warranty. If not, I did see Evolve released a MSS HAS kit which looked pretty great - really fixes the OE stance

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by RugbyBro

I did see Evolve released a MSS HAS kit which looked pretty great - really fixes the OE stance

Got a link?

[Vic55]

4 fingers plus is literally slut level.

[RugbyBro]

Originally Posted by Transfer

Got a link?

Here you go

https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1819546

[Vic55]

was watching this video and jesus

[Floridagator]

I respectfully disagree.

While you may not like the "stance," the ride height is what it is to provide an acceptable amount of wheel travel for good ride compliance.

What makes the M3/M4 fabulous is that it is fast and capable, but still provides reasonable comfort in normal road driving. If you lower the car, you will:

1) Need to install stiffer springs to prevent the car from bottoming on jounce bumpers
2) Increase damping to account for stiffer springs. Not easy with active suspension, but suppose you could just leave it in Sport Plus and hope for the best

In this case you now have a car with worse ride quality, having degraded years of hard work from the BMW M vehicle dynamics team.

On a related note, I have a similar opinion on wheel spacers, which do all kinds of awful things to the steering geometry, all in the name of looks.

Leave the car alone, enjoy what BMW has given you.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Floridagator

I respectfully disagree.

While you may not like the "stance," the ride height is what it is to provide an acceptable amount of wheel travel for good ride compliance.

What makes the M3/M4 fabulous is that it is fast and capable, but still provides reasonable comfort in normal road driving. If you lower the car, you will:

1) Need to install stiffer springs to prevent the car from bottoming on jounce bumpers
2) Increase damping to account for stiffer springs. Not easy with active suspension, but suppose you could just leave it in Sport Plus and hope for the best

In this case you now have a car with worse ride quality, having degraded years of hard work from the BMW M vehicle dynamics team.

On a related note, I have a similar opinion on wheel spacers, which do all kinds of awful things to the steering geometry, all in the name of looks.

Leave the car alone, enjoy what BMW has given you.

We all know these points and I agree with you too but I have had 10 M's and not one of them came this high... my E39 was perfect with maybe a 2 finger gap... even the F10 and my F90 M5's. I think the question that most posters here are wondering is: could bmw have set it a bit lower and still made it optimal based on prior cars which had oem springs and sat lower. I think the G80 sits better than the G82 as well.

This is just the first time Ive seen the car sitting so high. What others do is up to them. Ill have to see what I decide if I get the car or not.

[Transfer]

So back to the question, what is going to be the best way to on this generation to lower it while not significantly altering it's reportedly excellent comfort dynamics? MSS makes a great product for the X3M so perhaps that is the answer. I have a feeling my personal answer is going to be buy an M3.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Transfer

So back to the question, what is going to be the best way to on this generation to lower it while not significantly altering it's reportedly excellent comfort dynamics? MSS makes a great product for the X3M so perhaps that is the answer. I have a feeling my personal answer is going to be buy an M3.

ha i was thinking the same----I am worried that getting the proper form will require too much compression on the dampers.

MSS is almost ready I hear-- KW is out but unavail per my guy for 5 weeks or so.

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by Floridagator

I respectfully disagree.

While you may not like the "stance," the ride height is what it is to provide an acceptable amount of wheel travel for good ride compliance.

What makes the M3/M4 fabulous is that it is fast and capable, but still provides reasonable comfort in normal road driving. If you lower the car, you will:

1) Need to install stiffer springs to prevent the car from bottoming on jounce bumpers
2) Increase damping to account for stiffer springs. Not easy with active suspension, but suppose you could just leave it in Sport Plus and hope for the best

In this case you now have a car with worse ride quality, having degraded years of hard work from the BMW M vehicle dynamics team.

On a related note, I have a similar opinion on wheel spacers, which do all kinds of awful things to the steering geometry, all in the name of looks.

Leave the car alone, enjoy what BMW has given you.

To each their own. But it look fucking horrendous!!

[Vic55]

So this thread made me wander over to the local store and this is what I saw. I confirmed the blocks were out as well on both cars. I know there will be springs for those who want to lower but it looks like its gonna take almost 40mm in the rear or around that. Thats too much to compress the dampers (oem).

[TrentMeister]

Originally Posted by Vic55

So this thread made me wander over to the local store and this is what I saw. I confirmed the blocks were out as well on both cars. I know there will be springs for those who want to lower but it looks like its gonna take almost 40mm in the rear or around that. Thats too much to compress the dampers (oem).

The cars settle a bit after some road work.

Kw is a very reputable operation, if they're offering a HAS I'm thinking it's completely within reason on stock components and geometry.

[PLF69]

I'd drive the car 2-3000 miles before making a decision on this.

[safridi]

So would the mp has kit make the overall suspension geometry worse? Bmw is soo evil.....

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by safridi

So would the mp has kit make the overall suspension geometry worse? Bmw is soo evil.....

I cant even source a part number yet on the MP HAS... but for the M4 its gonna need to move down range a lot in the back.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by Vic55

I cant even source a part number yet on the MP HAS... but for the M4 its gonna need to move down range a lot in the back.

FWIW, MP HAS is between 5 and 20 mm.