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There is plausible indication that the F80 was likely stage 1 (not to mention it is not actually a CP as claimed by carwow), some info over at: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...9&postcount=16 and also https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...1&postcount=34
I'd absolutely expect a F80 stage 1 take a G80. It would be very embarrassing for BMW if the predecessor would be quicker over a quarter mile compared to its successor, so based on that point alone for me it is a no brainer that the drag race conducted in the video you reference is not actually stock v stock (as claimed in the video) and therefore not a reliable means compare how well (or not) the new G8X performs. EDIT: As for the first rolling start test, Matt mentions he is in Comfort mode in the M440i (so I imagine it would be same for the M4's, ergo transmission in D). Yeah no surprise the DCT is going to be quicker with the kickdown and getting that power down. Disclaimer: I have a G80 on order.
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Every test done so far is clearly showing that the F8X is faster than the G8X. And as you say, F8X does have a notoriously poor launch control system, and if that green F82 M4 had better launch it would probably be faster than G82 M4. My guess, around 11,8 sec for the F82. It is interesting that all F8X's CarWoW have tested so far were going between 12,4 and 12,7 sec 1/4 mile, and the best time so far was 12,2 sec for the M3CS on a dry surface with sticky tires. But this green M4 wasn't so lucky, it did only 12 sec flat on a damp surface! Quote:
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But jokes aside, can you tell us is that green M4 base car or M4 Competition? Last edited by PeregrineFalcon; 04-25-2021 at 09:15 AM.. |
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Not sure why you’d respond to someone who posted something like this.
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The look of the car may be controversial, but the drive isn’t. The G8x drives and performs better than the F8x in practically every way. It steers better, handles better, has more grip, inspires more confidence at the limit, and is faster in a straight line by a meaningful margin. Got someone talking about sports cars, then makes a big deal about which car has the faster “kickdown”. That’s something one might care about in your parents’ old Lexus SC430. These cars have paddles, use them. |
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Car and Driver's instrumented testing demonstrates a clear performance delta between the two cars. In fact, pick any source of instrumented testing and it will show you what you already know: the G80 is faster. If you're going to claim the F80 is better you should stick to stuff that can't be measured since that's the only way you won't embarrass yourself. Also - since you know that green F80 so well: is it a competition model or a base? |
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Good sir thou must close your thesaurus and endeavor to temper your tendencies towards sesquipedalian loquaciousness lest one misconstrue your fondness for the multisyllabic with true intelligence. What's my point about the F82 being tuned? My point is we've gone from "it's a stock car" to "ok yeah it's tuned but it's not, like, a major tune." We're now admitting the test is based on a lie, we're just arguing degrees. At this point the entire test needs to be thrown out - which is a perfect segue to the next point. You want references to objective tests? Ok. These are the instrumented testing results for the manual F82 M4, as compared to the instrumented test results for the manual G80 M3. Keep in mind - this is in additional to the numerous pieces of anecodal evidence that suggests the G80 is a quicker, more engaging car to drive. What do we see? The G80: 1. Is faster to 60 2. Is quicker through the 1/4 mile 3. Traps higher in the quarter mile 4. Holds more G's on the skidpad 5. Stops faster Not only is the G80 faster, but it stops quicker and turns better as well! Oh but you say those are only straight line measurements. How about on the track? Well Autobild did their supertest recently - the G80 went around the Sachsenring .4 seconds faster than the F82 GTS. You can find the discussion here: https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1815648 Very interested to hear how you try and discount this, seeing as you're the proud owner of an S55 engine (and a very powerful set of rose colored glasses). |
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LOL I was looking for this video overhere but you already posted it.
Anyway guys, I'll stay on the sideline watching. Both great cars etcetera! And I need even more coffee. P.S. I'd like to see your super powerful M2Comp in the M2C section if possible! Cheers Robin |
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You need to define an objective/instrumented test for me, because I'm beginning to suspect that there isn't a test on the planet that meets your criteria. Edit: regarding power to weight. Motortrend has the F80 weighing 100lbs less than the G80. I put the link at the bottom of this message. So you're right - by some metrics the F80 does have better power to weight. For sake of argument, let's assume that it's so. That leads us into a different territory though, because if that differential made the G80 significantly worse, then it wouldn't be the objectively faster car in a line and around the circuit. So while yes, the F80 does have better power to weight, it doesn't appear to have an impact on the empirical results. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mot...ve-review/amp/ |
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I did. And to do them properly, you need to understand how official weight measuring standards have evolved in recent years.
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Take real world weight figures from reliable sources, and it will become very clear. As one example, 6MT M4 as tested by C&D: F82: 425hp/3,556lb = 0.1195 G82: 473hp/3,709lb = 0.1275 In this example, the G82 has 6.7% better power-to-weight than the F82. Look up other real world comparisons and I doubt you'll find many that show the F8X having better power to weight.
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For example, here are the tests done by the same respectable German magazine:
https://g80.bimmerpost.com/forums/at...1&d=1617988664 https://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-...-10562489.html They use the same standard for measuring the weight and performance, and regarding the weight, the old M4 was 1632 kg heavy, and the new one was 1695 kg! So, they have come to conclusion that the old M4 is having 3,6 kg/ps and the new M4 is having 3,3 kg/ps! And that is reflecting more than obvious on the acceleration numbers: F82 M4 0-100 km/h in 4 sec / 0-200 km/h in 12,9 sec / 100-200 km/h in 8,9 sec G82 M4 0-100 km/h in 3,6 sec / 0-200 km/h in 11,4 sec / 100-200 km/h in 7,8 sec The difference is huge! The track times are also showing significant superiority of the new model! https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/sachsenring https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/castle-combe https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/vairano-handling-course The only question now is what are you going to come up with next, as an excuse? |
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When asked if the green M4 was base or Competition model, he was refusing few times to give the answer, and I have ask the question because I know what ever he says it is going to be contradictory! Finally, when other forum members insisted on the same question he said this: "The featured M4 was originally a standard M4 which has been converted to a 'competition' (including DME software). Your point?" So all his credibility went down the drain, along with the owner of the car and CarWoW team, depending on who was, and who wasn't aware that the car was tuned! And the whole thing started because the performance of the green M4 was "little unusual"?! Like I said, all F8X's CarWoW have tested so far were going between 12,4 and 12,7 sec 1/4 mile, and the best time so far was 12,2 sec for the M3CS on a dry surface with sticky tires. The green M4 did 12 sec on a damp surface and was almost as quick as the G82 in the roll race! Quote:
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