[robopp]

Originally Posted by shoei

That's my knock with Tesla. The interior quality, the seats, etc. The build quality is severely lacking. Fit finish is crap. Tesla owners have found Home Depot parts in their car. The price tags were never removed hence the Home Depot part. A 2005 Lexus has better interior than a Tesla. No I'm not comparing the tech, just the fit finish interior.

Do you have any pictures of the HD parts?

[shoei]

Originally Posted by robopp

Do you have any pictures of the HD parts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/driving...1472c915e/amp/

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by Justohigh

Did anyone ever put the awd version on a scale yet? Curious to know what’s the weight is.

Shouldn't be too much more than the Competition. The AWD system is estimated to be less than a 50lb penalty

[NightWriter]

Originally Posted by F82KPowers

Shouldn't be too much more than the Competition. The AWD system is estimated to be less than a 50lb penalty

You sure about that? I thought it was a 50kg penalty... About 110lb

[M3AWD]

Originally Posted by NightWriter

You sure about that? I thought it was a 50kg penalty... About 110lb

Yes it's 50kg = 110lbs according to BMW

[TractionControlDelete]

Originally Posted by M3AWD

Yes it's 50kg = 110lbs according to BMW

Yes I meant kg, not lb! Thanks for heads up 💪

[james550imanual]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People love to push the EV narrative. It won't happen the way proponents think. Most do not want EV's and the ICE isn't going away in our lifetime.

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People love to push the EV narrative. It won't happen the way proponents think. Most do not want EV's and the ICE isn't going away in our lifetime.

This.

I work for the Japanese automotive industry and the 20 year plan is not Battery EV. There's not enough supply to fill the needs of the world. Toyota and Honda (and now bmw) are hedging their bets on hydrogen cell tech.

Electric cars may be cool now and for the next decade but not sustainable as people think.

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by james550imanual

This.

I work for the Japanese automotive industry and the 20 year plan is not Battery EV. There's not enough supply to fill the needs of the world. Toyota and Honda (and now bmw) are hedging their bets on hydrogen cell tech.

Electric cars may be cool now and for the next decade but not sustainable as people think.

they better hurry before they are out of business...

[james550imanual]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

they better hurry before they are out of business...

Originally Posted by pikcachu

they better hurry before they are out of business...

Japanese are masters of long term strategic planning. Like I said, EV's are in for now and for the foreseeable future. Top brass at Toyota is already thinking of what's beyond that. I'm just a peon at the company so I'll just stay quiet and let them determine how the company plans to survive 50 years from now 😂. They've made pretty good decisions thus far haha

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by james550imanual

Japanese are masters of long term strategic planning. Like I said, EV's are in for now and for the foreseeable future. Top brass at Toyota is already thinking of what's beyond that. I'm just a peon at the company so I'll just stay quiet and let them determine how the company plans to survive 50 years from now 😂. They've made pretty good decisions thus far haha

They do make reliable cars.... and nobody would have thought in the 80's they would be where they got in the 2000's so anything is possible ... but to survive past 50 years you first need to survive the first 10

[pikcachu]

so are these cars in Europe? cause doesn't look like there are in the US ?

[shoei]

Originally Posted by james550imanual

Japanese are masters of long term strategic planning. Like I said, EV's are in for now and for the foreseeable future. Top brass at Toyota is already thinking of what's beyond that. I'm just a peon at the company so I'll just stay quiet and let them determine how the company plans to survive 50 years from now 😂. They've made pretty good decisions thus far haha

Nah I think you're more factual than these videos. These videos are pointless because they only give you a quick snapshot. For starters, Tesla numbers are massively inflated. Tesla sales have grown but no sudden upticks and they've lowered pricing numerous times already. This doesn't coincide with the market cap.

They've been profitable selling off gov. environmental tokens, Bitcoin and selling off Full Self Driving subscriptions NOT from automotive sales. If you were to remove those three, they would actually be in the red. Again.

It's why I dislike it when people post videos without substance or focus on "Tesla's market cap" as the reason they're awesome. There's legitimately been very little to justify this oversized excitement if I'm being completely honest, strictly from a business / financial stand point. I mean, they've been cutting pay and bonuses for awhile now for fucks sake, lol. Not Elon's of course but that's par for the course. So I just have trouble understanding this much leg humping.

I think what they've done is astounding. They've ushered in serious advancements to tech and performance ev wise amongst other things, but I honestly don't find them to be this golden egg that many have made them out to be. My opinion of course but removing emotion or personal investment, I don't see how this is such an amazing company with accelerated growth. I don't see accelerated anything except 0-60 speed on the Plaid lol

[will0621]

Originally Posted by shoei

Nah I think you're more factual than these videos. These videos are pointless because they only give you a quick snapshot. For starters, Tesla numbers are massively inflated. Tesla sales have grown but no sudden upticks and they've lowered pricing numerous times already. This doesn't coincide with the market cap.

They've been profitable selling off gov. environmental tokens, Bitcoin and selling off Full Self Driving subscriptions NOT from automotive sales. If you were to remove those three, they would actually be in the red. Again.

It's why I dislike it when people post videos without substance or focus on "Tesla's market cap" as the reason they're awesome. There's legitimately been very little to justify this oversized excitement if I'm being completely honest, strictly from a business / financial stand point. I mean, they've been cutting pay and bonuses for awhile now for fucks sake, lol. Not Elon's of course but that's par for the course. So I just have trouble understanding this much leg humping.

I think what they've done is astounding. They've ushered in serious advancements to tech and performance ev wise amongst other things, but I honestly don't find them to be this golden egg that many have made them out to be. My opinion of course but removing emotion or personal investment, I don't see how this is such an amazing company with accelerated growth. I don't see accelerated anything except 0-60 speed on the Plaid lol

The regulatory credit thing is no longer true... in their most recent earnings Tesla was profitable without counting emissions credits and even factoring in that they lost on their bitcoin investment last quarter.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by will0621

The regulatory credit thing is no longer true... in their most recent earnings Tesla was profitable without counting emissions credits and even factoring in that they lost on their bitcoin investment last quarter.

This is why I would rather not even open my mouth. How the FUCK is it not true? All because Q2 of 2021 earnings call showed a profit for the FIRST TIME EVER WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CREDITS doesn't mean the fact wasn't true for the other EIGHTEEN YEARS of Tesla's existence. It's still factual and it's still truth, I'm sorry.

This, this is NOT how a graph looks like with "accelerated growth". It's alright to have different opinions but put down the koolaid. One positive quarter WITHOUT Bitcoin / credits / human trafficking / powerball whatever, doesn't make the facts obsolete.

[will0621]

Originally Posted by shoei

This is why I would rather not even open my mouth. How the FUCK is it not true? All because Q2 of 2021 earnings call showed a profit for the FIRST TIME EVER WITHOUT ENVIRONMENTAL CREDITS doesn't mean the fact wasn't true for the other EIGHTEEN YEARS of Tesla's existence. It's still factual and it's still truth, I'm sorry.

This, this is NOT how a graph looks like with "accelerated growth". It's alright to have different opinions but put down the koolaid. One positive quarter WITHOUT Bitcoin / credits / human trafficking / powerball whatever, doesn't make the facts obsolete.

Dude why are you flipping out I don’t even care for Tesla I’m just pointing out what you said technically isn’t true anymore.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by will0621

Dude why are you flipping out I don’t even care for Tesla I’m just pointing out what you said technically isn’t true anymore.

I'm not even going to entertain the flip out. It's disbelief not flip out for the record.

They've never been in the green before without environmental credits, Bitcoin and other items in their portfolio. It doesn't change what happened all these quarters for eighteen years.

You can say they were profitable in Q2 of '21 without credits but you absolutely still can stay they've never been profitable without those things cuz they haven't. Up until right now.

My point was merely that video is misleading. Unless they only factored in Q2 of 2021. It's legitimately the equivalent if the wife of the CEO from Toyota had a cook book that was a best seller and Toyota included her revenue with their revenue for the market cap numbers lol.

[jlevy73]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

so are these cars in Europe? cause doesn't look like there are in the US ?

Mine has been at the port in Europe since Monday.

[james550imanual]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

They do make reliable cars.... and nobody would have thought in the 80's they would be where they got in the 2000's so anything is possible ... but to survive past 50 years you first need to survive the first 10

Toyota and Honda will have a flurry of EV and hybrids by 2030. The whole industry will have a big transformation then…OEMs are investing billions right now for this. It's gonna be a different ballgame and Tesla won't be the only kid in the playground anymore.

[Patton250]

Originally Posted by james550imanual

Toyota and Honda will have a flurry of EV and hybrids by 2030. The whole industry will have a big transformation then…OEMs are investing billions right now for this. It's gonna be a different ballgame and Tesla won't be the only kid in the playground anymore.

Very depressing

[Dzo]

Originally Posted by pikcachu

so are these cars in Europe? cause doesn't look like there are in the US ?

Yes, there are a lot, lot more Toyota's than Tesla's here !!!

[pikcachu]

Originally Posted by Dzo

Yes, there are a lot, lot more Toyota's than Tesla's here !!!

I'm talking about the xDrive

[Mako]

I love the people saying AWD weight penalty is the reason for not getting it. It can be switched to RWD so driving experience can't be a reason and the fact that it only adds 110 lbs seems like a no brainer. 1 passenger adds more than that. And what's 110 more lbs on a 3800 lb car. Mercedes was over 4,000 without AWD.

Now if you say manual vs auto, 100% I get why you wouldn't go AWD. For 2022 and beyond I feel like it's either AWD or manual, RWD comps would have to be the smallest segment. Actually surprised they are even making them.