[evanescent03]

Originally Posted by Casone238

I had no idea the configurator was live on the bmwusa website. I was more surprised that my build came out to 82-83k depending if I went with dravit grey or portimao. I would daily it so I would skip on the ccb, cb seats and the Cb exterior package. I was happy to see the new interior color options especially the red and the dark blue. But was sadden not to see the jet black rims not be a option.

yeah - annoying to not see the solid black wheels ... a configurator glitch maybe?

portimao with black wheels and a 6MT and buckets is my idea of a fun and functional build but doing launches is actually pretty fun too .. plus my kids absolutely love it... i'd be somewhat irritated if i coudn't do the black and blue scheme with the XDrive.

[NKGK20]

Originally Posted by Longboarder

Car & Driver got 2.5 seconds with the M8, although I needed a tune to get that number. Otherwise it would do 2.8's. Pretty sure the M5 was right there as well. M3 stock is quick but not that quick.

You're right bro, it's not that quick. Not sure why I even said that.

[F85MTuNED]

Can't wait… I see plenty of low 2's and 9 second 1/4 mile passes in my near future..



































And that's on stock turbos…😈

[Robert]

Originally Posted by dialogical

Well on a price comparison front it changes all the time given how fast and loose Tesla is with their pricing.

I bought a Model 3 Performance without the bullshit FSD for about 60k, my relatively-loaded G80 ran me about 90k, so in my case it's more like a 30% increase.

For those who care, the G80 is slower everywhere below 80mph but infinitely more fun. The only other advantage the Tesla has is the steering - it's got a quicker steering rack which I prefer to the G80s slower-but-still-quick rack.

For now the M3/M4 will still be the king for visceral driving experience. When I am ready I will complement the Model 3 perf with a Cayman 4.0 GTS for that. Everyday driving I am still amazed I can power my car off of sunshine from solar panels. Something about being independent and completely self reliant for power.

[F85MTuNED]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

For sure down the road. There are plenty of high HP GTR's lurking these days. The more cars with big power, the better. I don't care what brand it is. Someone will get these things to a 1000 soon. Just need the right software. Many have said the engine and tranny are good till 1000 HP. What about Torque? That's the killer. This could be a true statement. Is it good for a few launches and a bunch of roll racing? Only time will tell. If you have to b build stuff up, get your pocket book ready!! Shit aint cheap. Axles will also be beat on. I did them On my G just to be safe. In the grand scheme, it was a cheap add on. Get your R888's on order when you tune these boys!!

So far the engine has made almost 1100hp and 1280 Nm of Torque which is around 940 foot pounds of Torque and this is all with a stock bottom end and ported head.

Pretty dam impressive if you ask me, can't wait to see what happens when guys begin to throw a little CP here a little Carrillo there and tadaaaa Liftoff…🚀

Tricky thing is they didn't use the factory trans in their builds because they're drift cars but I feel confident that the ZF trans can hold up just fine.

[Casone238]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

yeah - annoying to not see the solid black wheels ... a configurator glitch maybe?

portimao with black wheels and a 6MT and buckets is my idea of a fun and functional build but doing launches is actually pretty fun too .. plus my kids absolutely love it... i'd be somewhat irritated if i coudn't do the black and blue scheme with the XDrive.

I love the portimao blue i doubt I'll go with that color scheme since my M340 is portimao blue, I'm leaning towards dravit grey & red, when if the individual colors are not available I'll probably go black & red. Blacks rims are a must they do expose peoples parking skills with the curb rashes 😅😅

[///LeFrenchie]

Wow 3s! So the best news for RWD owners like me is no visual difference. Nobody should be provoke us at red lights! Respect... I like. No need to sell too, AWD owners do the job on the road.

[speedmaster20d]

Is it just me but I don’t really get the obsession with 0-60 times. If you go to drag strip for a win you need a totally different vehicle. Do a lot of M3 owners frequent drag strip for pleasure ?

On the track it doesn’t matter as you don’t start a hot lap from standing still

On normal street driving on public roads and with other cars, how do you even use launch control?

So apart from being a number and good for making a bunch of YouTube videos why does 0-60 matter ? Don’t get me wrong I am just curious. It seems this 0-60 argument is the number one thing EV fans in particular Tesla fans brag about but I never get their point as it is a useless figure for me.

[Kevin_The_Clean1]

Originally Posted by jailonacs99

Amazing! Though I am cringing at the fact the car only has 200 miles in the odo. What did the manual say about passing 5K RPM?

But if anything, a properly broken in car may perform even better.

I fully agree. It's a harsh way to break in a motor & drive-train. But the S58 & M X-drive are pretty stout units.

[SDRX]

M cars don't have run flats? So what are BMW providing for emergency use? A proper spare tyre? Or a can foam filler stuff ?

[solstice]

Originally Posted by SDRX

M cars don't have run flats? So what are BMW providing for emergency use? A proper spare tyre? Or a can foam filler stuff ?

The M mobility kit. A can of foam and a car battery powered pump that plugs into the cars 12V sockets. It’s been like that for the last couple of M3s. No spare.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by speedmaster20d

Is it just me but I don't really get the obsession with 0-60 times. If you go to drag strip for a win you need a totally different vehicle. Do a lot of M3 owners frequent drag strip for pleasure ?

On the track it doesn't matter as you don't start a hot lap from standing still

On normal street driving on public roads and with other cars, how do you even use launch control?

So apart from being a number and good for making a bunch of YouTube videos why does 0-60 matter ? Don't get me wrong I am just curious. It seems this 0-60 argument is the number one thing EV fans in particular Tesla fans brag about but I never get their point as it is a useless figure for me.

Historic answer is that 0-60 was a performance benchmark when cars had much less power and a low top speed. It represented a sizeable chunk of a cars overall performance.

More recently 0-60 has lost its value as it now only reveals a small segment of performance, and even then it's mostly traction performance.

……but it becomes super important when your car is an outlier in this benchmark.

[02M3ForMe]

With this car, there are no more excuses about your BMW M track star being “not meant for the drag strip.”

The G80 handles extremely well and gives you incredible straight line performance and delivers it to you in a super-usable 4-door sedan form factor with BMW quality and technology and dealership experience and warranty and does it all for as low as $75k. Far from a one-trick 3-second pony, this car does pretty much all the tricks.

Anyone who’s experienced the complete performance of the RWD G8x for the past few months (not just straight-line) will be very excited to layer 3-second 0-60 potential on top of all of that.

[Imran@Evolve]

Originally Posted by CadHater

I'm ready for xDrive content.

Hurry up BMW! Although we did go for an individual colour which will delay the car somewhat even though our order was placed very early.

We will be doing a similar project to our F90 M5.

[brava09]

Originally Posted by NKGK20

Anyone want explain how BMW let this happen?
I mean this basically M5 territory… are they wanting to sell more M3/M4? Is the M5 loosing its value?

M5 is much faster stock for stock. They may be neck and neck to 60, but after is game over.

My heavy ass stock M5, sunroof and what not, does 7s 100-200 kmh. Best I've seen for G80 around 8s, huge delta, and I expect the xdrive M3 even a bit slower.

[minster4]

Originally Posted by speedmaster20d

Is it just me but I don't really get the obsession with 0-60 times. If you go to drag strip for a win you need a totally different vehicle. Do a lot of M3 owners frequent drag strip for pleasure ?

On the track it doesn't matter as you don't start a hot lap from standing still

On normal street driving on public roads and with other cars, how do you even use launch control?

So apart from being a number and good for making a bunch of YouTube videos why does 0-60 matter ? Don't get me wrong I am just curious. It seems this 0-60 argument is the number one thing EV fans in particular Tesla fans brag about but I never get their point as it is a useless figure for me.

Originally Posted by speedmaster20d

Is it just me but I don't really get the obsession with 0-60 times. If you go to drag strip for a win you need a totally different vehicle. Do a lot of M3 owners frequent drag strip for pleasure ?

On the track it doesn't matter as you don't start a hot lap from standing still

On normal street driving on public roads and with other cars, how do you even use launch control?

So apart from being a number and good for making a bunch of YouTube videos why does 0-60 matter ? Don't get me wrong I am just curious. It seems this 0-60 argument is the number one thing EV fans in particular Tesla fans brag about but I never get their point as it is a useless figure for me.

Can't agree more

[minster4]

Originally Posted by ///LeFrenchie

Wow 3s! So the best news for RWD owners like me is no visual difference. Nobody should be provoke us at red lights! Respect... I like. No need to sell too, AWD owners do the job on the road.

Originally Posted by ///LeFrenchie

Wow 3s! So the best news for RWD owners like me is no visual difference. Nobody should be provoke us at red lights! Respect... I like. No need to sell too, AWD owners do the job on the road.

I bet even that people still likes to provoke u. it just the matter of if u want to join or not.

I was on the other side before but now I have ignored those cars as i know they can't be faster than mine.

[mfarrzhp]

Originally Posted by NISFAN

Historic answer is that 0-60 was a performance benchmark when cars had much less power and a low top speed. It represented a sizeable chunk of a cars overall performance.

More recently 0-60 has lost its value as it now only reveals a small segment of performance, and even then it's mostly traction performance.

……but it becomes super important when your car is an outlier in this benchmark.

0-60 is all about traction these days. A couple tenths comes down to the driver and reaction.

3.07 is impressive. An outlier? I guess it depends on how strictly you define outlier. Cars that are faster or right there with it:

GTR, C8, 911 CarreraS, M5C, any performance version Tesla. Even a Trackhawk will be right with you.

The M4 will pull on the C8 after 60. The others, not so much.

I'm still more impressed that the M3 is one of the last fast sedans to offer a 6MT. In 10-20 years, that's what will matter to collectors. 0-60 in 3 seconds will be ubiquitous.

I still understand the infatuation with straight line speed, but I've driven faster cars on the street and it's pretty pointless unless you are doing illegal street racing in the middle of the night.

[swagon]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

0-60 is all about traction these days. A couple tenths comes down to the driver and reaction.

3.07 is impressive. An outlier? I guess it depends on how strictly you define outlier. Cars that are faster or right there with it:

GTR, C8, 911 CarreraS, M5C, any performance version Tesla. Even a Trackhawk will be right with you.

The M4 will pull on the C8 after 60. The others, not so much.

I'm still more impressed that the M3 is one of the last fast sedans to offer a 6MT. In 10-20 years, that's what will matter to collectors. 0-60 in 3 seconds will be ubiquitous.

I still understand the infatuation with straight line speed, but I've driven faster cars on the street and it's pretty pointless unless you are doing illegal street racing in the middle of the night.

Cheap thills. All that the driver is doing during launch control is just holding onto the steering wheel and moving their left foot off the brake. A trained monkey can do the same job.

Most people can't even handle their stock M3 with DSC off, and a lot of those people, I bet, still end up going for more power.

If anything, 5-60 mph and 100-200 kph are far more relevant statistics.

[dlk001]

Originally Posted by SDRX

M cars don't have run flats? So what are BMW providing for emergency use? A proper spare tyre? Or a can foam filler stuff ?

Most sports cars have no runflats and spare wheel. They provide a Mobility Kit. e.g. BMW M Cars, Mercedes AMG, Audi RS etc

[MTM3]

Impressive. But the main reason for me to buy this ugly beaver teeth monster is 6MT. The only performance, 6-cylinder+ German or otherwise 4-door sedan with MT.
If they offered xdrive with MT I’d look at it.

[NISFAN]

Originally Posted by mfarrzhp

0-60 is all about traction these days. A couple tenths comes down to the driver and reaction.

3.07 is impressive. An outlier? I guess it depends on how strictly you define outlier. Cars that are faster or right there with it:

GTR, C8, 911 CarreraS, M5C, any performance version Tesla. Even a Trackhawk will be right with you.

The M4 will pull on the C8 after 60. The others, not so much.

I'm still more impressed that the M3 is one of the last fast sedans to offer a 6MT. In 10-20 years, that's what will matter to collectors. 0-60 in 3 seconds will be ubiquitous.

I still understand the infatuation with straight line speed, but I've driven faster cars on the street and it's pretty pointless unless you are doing illegal street racing in the middle of the night.

It certainly is an outlier in the G80/82 xDrive models.

Take a RWD G80/82 in comparison. If you reviewed all the performance statistics for each of these two vehicles, the xDrive 0-60 will be a clear outlier metric. It is significantly better than the RWD version, however, almost every other metric will be worse (due to weight, balance, transmission loss).

Also, that advantage level is only valid when using Launch control. Put both cars side by side on good tarmac and do a one foot launch (off brake, on gas), which is more representative of driving in general and the difference will be very small.

AWD is game changer for those that live in wetter/colder climates though. A year round useable M car.

The other 0-60 outliers are usually EV's. We know electric motors produce max torque at zero rpm, so can apply full torque from the get go.
ICE need some kind of slipping device to transfer torque from a rotating object to a stationary object. During this transition full torque is not being applied and likely the object (engine) supplying the torque is not at peak torque during this stage either.