[PLF69]

Originally Posted by ABenChod

Can brake pads be swapped out just as easily like with the F8x?

Just in the front

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by ABenChod

To be fair, isn't this true for every road legal car? Unless it's a track only (non street legal) car, wouldn't Ferraris, Lambos, McLarens, Aston Martins, Paganis, Bugattis (all the big names) need aftermarket brake upgrades if they are heavily tracked?

Agreed.

Perhaps the difference is we don't have Ferraris, Lambos, McLarens, Aston Martins, Paganis, Bugattis owners on the BMW M forum all day every day whining nonstop about how inferior BMWs are.

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Correction, M2C/CS did get some but I don't think there was much routing.

Front shields are pretty easy to remove, it will will be probably the same.

Brakes are very user dependent, we have many ppl around here that track a lot with OEM brakes and are fine.

I guess I should have been more specific in my prior post. The issue isn't whether people 'track a lot', it's whether they 'track a lot and are fast'.
If you 'track a lot and are fast', OEM brakes are worthless. Apparently not only BMWs suffer this problem.

I have an M3 CS. There is a hole in the splitter but it does not make it to the fender liner/wheel well. When a car gets a duct in the wheel well it has some kind of brake ducting. The last normal M model to get that was the E46M back in the stone age

[Parabolica]

Sliding rear caliber on a $100-120K CAN performance car? What a disgrace.

[Encanto]

Originally Posted by ashtaron14

M Compound Brakes - 380 x 36mm (front) / 370 x 24mm (rear)
M Carbon-Ceramic Brakes - 400 x 38mm (front) / 380 x 28mm (rear)

The G80 has the same rotors dimensions as the F8x with the exception of the front iron rotors thickness -36mm vs 30mm.

[Encanto]

Originally Posted by Nkr15

What's with all these cars in individual colors ? They had a Mexico blue m4 in the last video, now an m3 in some kind of orange and a bright green m4?

How come we can't order them but clearly it's possible? And half the decent colors (frozen gray black orange etc) aren't even available in the USA but are available everywhere else.

You will be able to order any color that you want once Individual is ready for the G80.

[Nkr15]

Originally Posted by Encanto

You will be able to order any color that you want once Individual is ready for the G80.

I'm sure it will be possible later on down the line. It's annoying because if you're not in the USA it's possible to get those colors right now. My car is being built March 8th and I can't choose individual colors or colors that are available for Canada and Europe. Even though the same cars will be built in the same factory at the same time. Someone joked on buying the car in Canada and driving it down the border.

[Encanto]

The last sliding caliper in an M3 tended to stick after heavy rain. The last electronic parking brake caliper was a bitch to change pads as it required the caliper pistons to be compressed by electronic message - the parking brake actuator.

So these calipers are the worst of both worlds to me. And ugly.

[stevehifi]

90% of the braking is done on the front of the car (where most of weight and inertia during braking matters).

Don't compare this to mid-engine or rear engine cars where actually rear braking setup matters more.. like P-car or Ferrari.

Anyone that actually does a track day can tell by looking at the wear and tear of their braking setup.. the rear is marginally taxed at best.

[PLF69]

Not sure if it applies to BMW style rear caliper but I find it super easy to back up the rear calipers in my Q5 using any 12v battery. And with 150k+ km in harsh Canadian winters never had any problems doing regular maintenance.

[MRV99]

As long as the front brakes can be swapped as easy as the F80 and one can set the rear brakes to "service mode" or be turned/compressed by myself with out the need is special electronics.

I already have the caliper tools to rotate and compress the caliper so fingers crossed

[6speed_M2]

Signal green is starting to grow on me

[Ikester19]

Both fixed and floating can work well if properly sized which I'm sure BMW engineers have done. However, having both front and rear brakes to fixed calipers provide a more consistent pressure application across the pad which equates to even pad wear and good pedal feel. Floating calipers are definitely more cost effective for BMW but are also easier and cheaper to maintain, low moving parts and can provide plenty of braking force. Pros and cons I guess

[VIERsr]

It's AMAZING how people issued verdicts about something they have never tried (and often not even seen live)
The brakes are small so the car doesn't brake (while they use the same solution on the heavier M5 F10/F90 and nobody complained), the gearbox is a ZF8 so it sucks, the car is heavy so the handling is poor, every reason is good to throw shit
I'll be here waiting for you to buy the new M3/4 when your lease is over or your cars will have many miles

[frankiebones]

Originally Posted by solstice

I agree 100% with this. If you see me posting in the next months that I ordered a 992 it has nothing to do with the G8X and everything to do with the 992. The G8X is really promising to me but it's not rear engine and being bored with my F80 I feel like a G8X even with AWD might not be different enough to re-ignite that awe I used to feel getting into new cars. I miss that.

I hear you. For me, my CS is the greatest car I've ever owned, there's just one glaring flaw: it's not a manual. There were exactly 0.00 6MT F80's left in the USA when I leased it and I was smart enough to do a 2 year lease as the g80 mules were already being spotted all over the Ring. But, I've hated it since the 2nd week I had it.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by No Boost

It may not be my favorite iteration of the M3 but every G8x I see on the road is getting a thumbs up. There's no denying the car's performance capabilities.

I am curious, how many G8X have you seen on the road thus far ?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I love all the pitchforks when BMW puts a sliding rear caliper on the M3. That the AMG GTR Pro has a sliding rear caliper as well seems to go right over most people's heads. And it costs several multiples of the M3

Also, for the ones who are so aghast at the M3 having a sliding rear caliper that they are 'moving to Porsche'... are people on such heavy drugs that they feel the M3 for 70k is unacceptable but their 4 cylinder Cayman S is somehow better? Or are they buying a car that's 2x the cost of the M3 and surprised it has advantages?

For the street or 'mountain road' use the sliding rear caliper will make zero difference. For heavy track users, such as myself, no OEM brake system would ever pass muster so it's all getting replaced regardless. Apparently even God's own vehicle, the perfect mix of angels, strippers, unicorn blood and fairy dust 991 GT3RS, also ends up with the same aftermarket brakes an M3 guy puts on when heavily tracked.

For me it's not about the size or performance. If they do the job, it's fine with me. What I dislike about these rear brakes is the complexity of doing a pad swap due to the e-parking brake. You now need to schlepp a laptop at the track if you want to do a quick pad swap between sessions.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by TargaM2

It's about profit margins & ease of production.
The same reason steering is going electric, brakes are going electric. Removing a complicated hydraulic system where possible to implement a relatively simple electronic solution is a winning solution for manufacturers.
Anyone that says a sliding caliper will function as well as a 2 piston/4 piston caliper doesn't understand how braking systems function.
Sliding calipers were used widely in the past & still are on lesser vehicles. With the move to electric systems some manufacturers are doing it correctly such as Ferrari & some are doing it in a cheap manner such as BMW & AMG.
Yes you can argue that it's sufficient braking for Joe average blah blah blah but that's missing the point entirely, you can say that about any part of a car or the whole car itself. The point is it's a halfarsed solution by BMW, if the fanboys care to delude yourself by sprouting marketing spiel & making cases for its implementation that's your prerogative.

Say what?

The main brakes are still hydraulically actuated. What changed is the parking brake that is now electrically operated instead of a mechanical cable linkage.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ABenChod

Can brake pads be swapped out just as easily like with the F8x?

No.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Just in the front

Not sure about that either. If the G8X calipers are like the F8X 6-pistons, you need to remove the calipers to swap the pads. With the F8X 4-piston front calipers, pads could be swapped by only pulling the two pins.

[fl1by]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

I love all the pitchforks when BMW puts a sliding rear caliper on the M3. That the AMG GTR Pro has a sliding rear caliper as well seems to go right over most people's heads. And it costs several multiples of the M3

Also, for the ones who are so aghast at the M3 having a sliding rear caliper that they are 'moving to Porsche'... are people on such heavy drugs that they feel the M3 for 70k is unacceptable but their 4 cylinder Cayman S is somehow better? Or are they buying a car that's 2x the cost of the M3 and surprised it has advantages?

For the street or 'mountain road' use the sliding rear caliper will make zero difference. For heavy track users, such as myself, no OEM brake system would ever pass muster so it's all getting replaced regardless. Apparently even God's own vehicle, the perfect mix of angels, strippers, unicorn blood and fairy dust 991 GT3RS, also ends up with the same aftermarket brakes an M3 guy puts on when heavily tracked.

Great way to sum it up! Spot on!

[No Boost]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

I am curious, how many G8X have you seen on the road thus far ?

going forward, as in the future