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I think a lot of people think it's growing on them or they actually like it but in reality, they are drawn to it simply because it's different and over the top. I haven't found one person that actually thinks these monstrosities are beautiful or elegant. Nobody has commented on the beautiful and flowing and congruent lines because they simply don't exist. All the major BMW design cues that have won them praise for decades are gone. The front and the rear end don't even match each other and they're from completely different design styles. Bottom line, it is so different and so obnoxious and that's the appeal. But wait till you put a US license plate on the front or no license plate that all and you will see this gaping bucktooth nightmare that's asymmetrical. Chris Harris described it the best: "The new M3 and M4 appearing to have borrowed facial features from a yawning rabbit" Last edited by thebmw; 10-17-2020 at 12:24 PM.. |
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I’ve owned the original non-ZCP F80 M3, and now the ZCP. I’ve driven the CS, and Stage1 cars. For all of these, I’ve never understood what the hell people complain about with lack of traction.
Seems to me people were perhaps used of NA engines where you can drop the throttle like an on off switch - with not a lot of torque, things were docile. With the S55, you just have to learn throttle modulation but there is still *plenty* of traction. I’ve driven mines dry/wet/snow on the street, and dry/wet on track. At no time did it seem like a snappy monster or an accident waiting to happen. I just don’t get these comments... ![]()
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10-17-2020, 03:13 PM | #49 | |
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It's a moot point now as the new "///M"s are basically glorified ///M340s |
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Ultimately, the torque, small wheelbase, and fast ratio hydraulic steering all add up to much more than its parts bin parts and make it one of the best drivers cars ever made. |
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10-17-2020, 08:59 PM | #52 |
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I have an advantage that I get to drive all these different cars every day.
The 1M feels special. The E90 M3 feels special. The F series M cars, while having great numbers, do not feel special. They are completely lacking in character, too rough, too twitchy, no feedback. The new G series cars are leaps and bounds better. They really feel like a modern interpretation of the older E series cars. They feel planted, solid. You can feel them take a set in the corner and grip. I would happily take a new 340 over any F M car. Don't talk to me about stats, go and drive one. I feel the current M2 is better in this regard, but still not as good as the 1M. The next gen M2 is the car I am anxiously awaiting. That may be the best drivers car BMW has made in a long time, or ever again. If they do these new M cars right, they are going to be phenomenal. Too bad about the face. |
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Unrelated pet peeeve...the thread title ...why do you say "g8x m3 and m4" The x covers it! It's like wasted abbreviation ...kind of how people write POTUS as if it's less letters than trump or Obama. End rant...
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For me the issue was not absolute traction levels, but other factors - steering feel, traction control, and how it broke traction. Limited steering feel made it difficult to tell when it was going to break (had to learn other ways to sense). Traction control was super abrupt and would just cut power. And when it broke traction, it did not do it progressively. I do think BMW has improved their traction control calibration. |
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Same goes for the people taking obvious disadvantages or inferior parts or design, and praising it based on the fact that they own it or are about to own one. |
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CH is usually spot on. He is off the mark here a bit IMO. The non-linearity of throttle response is something I would think he would regard more in his bias.... just goes to show, opinions are like ________, everyone has one.
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So is the 2021 or later non-M 3 series going to get this big grill and the 2020 G30 is the only of the gen w a small grill, or does the non-M and the M diverge in grill style from this point? My guess is the first option, but I havent heard.
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In terms of cars, the Dodge Viper ACR is wickedly aggressive and absolutely beautiful. In terms of M3, I thought the E92 was aggressive looking and to me, the most timeless and "beautiful" of the M3s. I don't believe the G8X is a timeless or a beautiful design at all. The "in your face" design as you described it will get old relatively soon. That said, I'm sure they are the most capable M3/4s ever made. Last edited by thebmw; 10-18-2020 at 10:08 PM.. |
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In order to satisfy the M fans they came up with the M235i and took a 235i and gave it an M treatment but, you know, not really. But it got proprietary suspension. The M2 is actuslly the same as the M235i except for the pistons and 2 suspension pieces which are aluminum on the M2 to lighten up the front of the car. And the DCT. But the DcT ages bad, the ZF8 never dies. But an M3 is like 80% different than a 3 series. An M2? Badge engineering. More saying how good the M235i is really. Just get that. |
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more steering feedback, but honestly it was a fractional difference... it's not like comparing my mom's downright disconnected '85 Buick to a manual steering E30. It's not like the F80 steering feels like your playing Outrun at the local arcade. No one is going to suddenly vomit when they turn the wheel or turn into shit drivers by the numbness. It's like a 15% improvement in steering feel is going to undo a boat load of power and torque in a lighter car that handles, brakes, and accelerates better? I find that hard to believe.
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The non-M will will maintain the current small grille. M3 has ways had the front-end of the M4 (or M3 coupe).
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