[playswcars]

In Switzerland, the CSL costs the same as a GT3 Touring.

That's all I need to know.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by mbanck

As you mention downthread, that's a marketing/business decision by BMWNA, not an engineering decision by M, I think it would've been prudent to point that out from the beginning.

Same for wireless charging, comfort access, parking assistant and driving assistant - those are all options in other markets.

In Australia, some of what you mentioned isn't offered as an option - we don't even have a choice of colours.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by yousefnjr

you brought it up so let’s compare, seems like good value relative to your own recent purchase, no? Even assuming somebody buys a 0 option M8 (lol I know)

M8C-
7:32 Nordschliefe
$130k MSRP

M4 CSL
7:15 Nordschliefe
$140k MSRP

The M8C time is from AM&S/SA supertest while the M4CSL is from a factory test. There’s usually 5~10 sec difference between the two. They are closer than they appear with the M8C on street tires. Slap on PSC2R on the M8C see what happens.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

Finally some intelligent discussion. If I recall correctly the CSL is supposed to come with helper springs, bigger sway bars, stiffer bushings, stiffer transmission mounts and obviously retuned suspension damping, springs and software. All of wich is probritary to the CSL (for now) I don't know what can be more special ? Gold plated knuckles?

As a tidbit, helper springs per se do not contribute to improved performance. Helper springs are simply needed when shorter and stiffer springs are installed in a given suspension configuration to avoid that the main springs get completely unladen at full extension. It is really the shorter and stiffer spring that enhance performance

[PLF69]

I did not ment to say this part in particular improved performance but more that it is a unique feature to the CSL and that all the engeneering to make these upgrades work in harmony per OEM standards are included in the price of the car.

I am often surprised how many think slapping some parts on a car automatically makes it better, I've been there before and after reworking the suspension on my M2 4 times I got my lesson. We are not in the 90s anymore.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Then BMW knows their customers well. You are probably in the majority and most buyers want the car with a HUD.

Might also be a sign that BMW expects people to use this car and that it's a good street car.

But it is a big source of weight.

I believe the car also has a full leather dash... again when I saw that in the press pics, I was a tad disappointed because, while full leather looks nice, it adds weight. It seems they took extreme measures in some spots but totally missed a few "easy" weight-adding components to omit.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by PLF69

I did not ment to say this part in particular improved performance but more that it is a unique feature to the CSL and that all the engeneering to make these upgrades work in harmony per OEM standards are included in the price of the car.

I am often surprised how many think slapping some parts on a car automatically makes it better, I've been there before and after reworking the suspension on my M2 4 times I got my lesson. We are not in the 90s anymore.

I just wanted to bring some technical clarification regarding the function of the helper springs. The CSL definitely has a unique suspension setup with the shorter and stiffer springs that improve its handling performance.

And I also agree, optimizing a car’s overall performance is a very fine art to get all the components to work in unison and provide a total gain that is superior to the sum of the individual improvements. A factory optimized setup is difficult to beat. This was clearly obvious with my M4cs.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ScullyD

Losing the back seats means they should have also deleted other things (like Remote Engine Start, Heads up Display, Comfort Access, Wireless Charging Pad, Active Driving Assistant). If they did that, and lost the back seats, i could totally subscribe to it being a true CSL. Having comfort features like that seems to totally miss the point in my opinion, and means they just tried to hit 100kg weight reduction and not actually take out all of the essentials.

The weight of an F-series HUD display is a 139 pounds. Comfort Access aerials weigh 1.2 pounds. Wireless charging pads weigh about 1 pound.

But the HUD being in the car is a big one and very very strange to me.

You must be joking here. The HUD unit is nowhere close to 139lb…

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You must be joking here. The HUD unit is nowhere close to 139lb…

Perhaps 13.9 not 139?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Perhaps 13.9 not 139?

Not even, I’d guess 2~4 lbs. It’s a simple LCD screen with just stronger lighting.

[MadBimmeRad]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

Not even, I’d guess 2~4 lbs. It’s a simple LCD screen with just stronger lighting.

Perhaps 1.39? 🤣🤣

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by CanAutM3

You must be joking here. The HUD unit is nowhere close to 139lb…

Apparently, my girlfriend weights less than the HUD option.. 😀

I saw this absurdity before but didn't care to clog up the thread arguing back and forth because I knew someone would set it strait in a succinct manner.. It took long enough..

[solstice]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Well, the E46 CSL saved 110 kg just like this one, but starting from 1500kg (-7.5%), not 1730 kg (-6.5%) and keeping the rear seats (just like the 3.0 CSL). Maybe they did the best they could, but I can't say it's a great achievement.
It has lost much of its versatility, not yet being a true sports car

I agree.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by VIERsr

Sure, but unfortunately power can do nothing against physics when it comes time to turn or brake, which explains the 'poor' time at the Ring.

I and the AMG GT black series disagree.

AMG GT Black:
- Weight 3655 lbs (same as the CSL)
- Power 720 hp (180hp more than the CSL)
- Ring time: 6:48 (28sec faster than the CSL)

[AHall]

Originally Posted by bmrm396

Aren't they all? Lol

Heck every other car manufacturer should just close their doors because nothing compares to Porsche and everyone wants one. Didn't you know?
I bet if someone was looking for a 1/2 ton pickup for work and towing trailers, one of these creaming in their pants every time they see a Porsche would suggest a GT3.

[jpdchicago]

Originally Posted by solstice

I and the AMG GT black series disagree.

AMG GT Black:
- Weight 3655 lbs (same as the CSL)
- Power 720 hp (180hp more than the CSL)
- Ring time: 6:48 (28sec faster than the CSL)

And MSRP $350,000 for the AMG GT black series.
Comparing apples to oranges…not the same market.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by jpdchicago

And MSRP $350,000 for the AMG GT black series.
Comparing apples to oranges…not the same market.

I didn’t say it was, I was commenting on the notion that more power wouldn’t make the CSL faster around the ring because it’s too heavy.

[Chicane_]

AMG One is also a fatso at 1,700 kgs.

[NotSharocks]

I feel like they really should have made the two tone accents an option. I think it would look much better 1 single color.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

I feel like they really should have made the two tone accents an option. I think it would look much better 1 single color.

It's not two tone, it's exposed carbon fiber. The red accents are a no cost option to remove.

[solstice]

Originally Posted by NotSharocks

I feel like they really should have made the two tone accents an option. I think it would look much better 1 single color.

If you don’t like exposed CF you can always wrap the whole car. Whatever the cost you’ll make it back with interest when you remove it before you sell

[ScullyD]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Apparently, my girlfriend weights less than the HUD option.. ��

I saw this absurdity before but didn't care to clog up the thread arguing back and forth because I knew someone would set it strait in a succinct manner.. It took long enough..

I'm just quoting the item weight here:

https://www.bmwpartsdeal.com/parts/b...309378011.html

I'll find out from a dealer part dept what the actual weight is for 62309378011.