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      10-25-2021, 11:23 AM   #89
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Then you will have to choose another brand for your next car.
Yes, I agree. While I am sad, in a way I am very happy as it will be my pleasure to reject the monstruosities they came up with in the last years.
The new “design” (if I can call it like that) language is waaay too much for my level of acceptance (and a design should be exciting never accepted).
I’ve made my peace with myself over this and realized that I am not the customer they are targeting.
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You specifically said the 911 dash was analog, so I was making sure people were aware that only the tach is analog. The 992 911 dash looks just like my 9Y0 Cayenne's. I also have sport chrono, and yes that is still an analog second hand.
I don’t mind digital as long as its done right.
The new Nissan Z and BRZ/86 have all digital clusters but they look perfectly integrated and seem to fit the nature of the car. I can’t see how an Ipad screen looks right in a car like M2 when same design is on iX suv.
copy paste … i.e. cost cutting coming from CEO focused only on decreasing the number of parts per vehicle but it is sad they are losing focus of integrated dash design especially on M cars. That dash design will never look good. If I was a designer of a well established manuf. I would be embarassed to approve that layout. The same is true for Tesla and other interior designs with tacked on ipads.

There is a radical shift in car manuf. coming where h/w will not be as big of a differentiator as s/w in the coming years for ev and hybrid vehicles.
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      10-25-2021, 11:54 AM   #91
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Well i guess we have 1-2years left if we want new BMW with integrated dash display. My lease on X3 M40i is up late next year so hopefully the 2023 X3M or X5 still has old dash. I canít see myself buying new M2 with new layout though.
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      10-25-2021, 12:33 PM   #92
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- Will M2 also get rear floating caliper?
- Any chance of DCT?
-for sure

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      10-25-2021, 12:38 PM   #93
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Rough guess, when will the M2's start shipping? I assume January '23?

(I'm down for one of the first to hit Texas, so it won't have far to go)

Seriously stupid question, but if I was interested in collecting it in Mexico and driving home, will 'Mx delivery' become a possibility?
Yes comes with a free cartel escort to the factory
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      10-25-2021, 04:29 PM   #94
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      10-25-2021, 04:37 PM   #95
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Although the new M2 will have 455 horsepower, it will also be bigger, longer in length and weigh 3,800 pounds plus.
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I am really hoping that the M2 smooths out all of the awful lines and shapes on the M240i’s super busy front and rear bumpers.

That alone will improve the look of the car. Right now the 230i sport pkg looks way better the the M240i. Also please make the lower side skirts body colored while you are at it.

Thank you.
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      10-25-2021, 05:18 PM   #97
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Looks like they're starting to reveal more body lines with this mule. The tacked on fender flares look like they're gone and the square openings down low are a little softer.
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Although the new M2 will have 455 horsepower, it will also be bigger, longer in length and weigh 3,800 pounds plus.
I was just wondering about this.

The 240xi is supposed to weigh around 3800lbs so I'm hoping the non xdrive M2 will be atleast 100lbs less.
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      10-25-2021, 09:35 PM   #99
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Looks like they're starting to reveal more body lines with this mule. The tacked on fender flares look like they're gone and the square openings down low are a little softer.
I was going to add that about the front fenders but I thought I might be seeing things. Your right and you can also see more of the front grill. No beaver teeth.
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      10-26-2021, 12:35 AM   #100
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The CF buckets are $26-32k (parts only) after the fact and depending upon where you look. Unless you can find someone that is willing to swap or can find a G8x that's been totaled and get a deal on a part out that isn't a reasonable option.
Recaro Sportster CS? They are not carbon but under USD5k for a pair

Ultimately, I believe the M Performance range will and should have the bucket seats option down the track as it aligns with the image and functionality demanded by a good portion of the G87 demographics
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      10-26-2021, 12:41 AM   #101
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The CF buckets are $26-32k (parts only) after the fact and depending upon where you look. Unless you can find someone that is willing to swap or can find a G8x that's been totaled and get a deal on a part out that isn't a reasonable option.
Recaro Sportster CS? They are not carbon but under USD5k for a pair

Ultimately, I believe the M Performance range will and should have the bucket seats option down the track as it aligns with the image and functionality demanded by a good portion of the G87 demographics
Was referring to the cost of the G8x CF buckets when trying to buy after the fact or to retrofit into another BMW.
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      10-26-2021, 03:56 PM   #102
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I've checked through the press releases for the M4, M440i, M240i weights to see what the likely weight is of the M2 in 6MT and 8AT guises, analysis below:

M240i xdrive is 1690kg

Adding xdrive to the M440i and M4 is 45kg and 50kg - I'm guessing the difference is due to rounding as they only go in 5kg increments.

Changing from M440i to M4 for rwd and xdrive is 30kg and 35kg, again I'm guessing the difference is for the same rounding reason.

M4 8at to 6mt is -25kg.

So starting from the M240i xdrive weight of 1690kg, we should lose about 50kg for a RWD M2, gain about 35kg for the 'M' weight gain (extra coolers, bigger brakes etc) and if going with a 6MT lose another 25kg.

G87 M2 6MT - 1650kg
G87 M2 8AT - 1675kg

From the same international press releases:
M4 6MT - 1700kg
M4 8AT rwd - 1725kg
M4 8AT xdrive - 1775kg

F87 M2 6MT - 1495kg
F87 M2 Comp 6MT - 1550kg
F87 M2 CS 6MT - 1550kg

F87 M2 7DCT - 1520kg
F87 M2 Comp 7DCT - 1575kg
F87 M2 CS 7DCT - 1575kg

So from an F87 Comp to G87 you're going to gain about 100kg, or 220lbs for the same configuration
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      10-26-2021, 06:23 PM   #103
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I've checked through the press releases for the M4, M440i, M240i weights to see what the likely weight is of the M2 in 6MT and 8AT guises, analysis below:

M240i xdrive is 1690kg

Adding xdrive to the M440i and M4 is 45kg and 50kg - I'm guessing the difference is due to rounding as they only go in 5kg increments.

Changing from M440i to M4 for rwd and xdrive is 30kg and 35kg, again I'm guessing the difference is for the same rounding reason.

M4 8at to 6mt is -25kg.

So starting from the M240i xdrive weight of 1690kg, we should lose about 50kg for a RWD M2, gain about 35kg for the 'M' weight gain (extra coolers, bigger brakes etc) and if going with a 6MT lose another 25kg.

G87 M2 6MT - 1650kg
G87 M2 8AT - 1675kg

From the same international press releases:
M4 6MT - 1700kg
M4 8AT rwd - 1725kg
M4 8AT xdrive - 1775kg

F87 M2 6MT - 1495kg
F87 M2 Comp 6MT - 1550kg
F87 M2 CS 6MT - 1550kg

F87 M2 7DCT - 1520kg
F87 M2 Comp 7DCT - 1575kg
F87 M2 CS 7DCT - 1575kg

So from an F87 Comp to G87 you're going to gain about 100kg, or 220lbs for the same configuration
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      10-26-2021, 07:08 PM   #104
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Save a little longer and Buy a new porsche GT4 RS

A real drivers car. A car which is developed as a sports car. Low center of gravity, lightweight, small and nimble. Everything a new BMW M does not have anymore.
Also:
- at least 2.5x more expensive
- dealers will mark it up even higher
- you will not get it anyway unless you already own a Porsche and have an existing relationship with a dealer

Or, put it another way:

Your advice is no different from recommending an M2 to someone looking to buy a base 228i (the FWD one).
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      10-26-2021, 07:09 PM   #105
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ynguldyn knows what he's talking about. He always does. He's pretty well connected.
The last sentence is false.

If I were I'd be playing games with y'all the Scott way.
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Well i guess we have 1-2years left if we want new BMW with integrated dash display. My lease on X3 M40i is up late next year so hopefully the 2023 X3M or X5 still has old dash. I canít see myself buying new M2 with new layout though.
X3 is not getting it (too close to G45). X5 will.
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ynguldyn knows what he's talking about. He always does. He's pretty well connected.
The last sentence is false.

If I were I'd be playing games with y'all the Scott way.
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....ummmm.....ynguldyn knows what he's talking about. He always does. He's pretty well connected.
The last sentence is false.
If I were I'd be playing games with y'all the Scott way.
ynguldyn and lemetier meeting somewhere, someday in some backroom.

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The last sentence is false.

If I were I'd be playing games with y'all the Scott way.
....ok....well at least much better connected than me!

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